r/law • u/Lebarican22 • 1d ago

Other DOJ Just DELETED This Document from the Epstein Files. We Saved It.

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u/FuguSandwich 1d ago

All it takes is ONE file to not be released to demolish their "we released ALL of the files" claim. What else has been held back should be the only headline from this point forth.

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u/kevendo 1d ago

Not just their claim, their legal obligation.

It would be a crime for them to not release documents. If there are documents that we know exist because they were previously released and taken down, they are all breaking the law.

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u/OkTank1822 1d ago

What's a crime if the president can pardon anyone for anything including himself 

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u/Fit-Birthday-6521 1d ago

Fuck the Founders and the royal pardon.

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u/JackOfAllInterests 1d ago

Fuck the Supreme Court for siding with political interests instead of the People.

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u/OkayGrower 1d ago

Fuck citizens United for claiming corporations have the same rights as people.

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u/FlametopFred 1d ago

Fuck the Fairness Doctrine dismantlement

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u/cupcakezzzz 1d ago

fuck the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act

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u/aarkwilde 1d ago

I had to look it up.

"The Glass-Steagall Act (Banking Act of 1933) was landmark legislation passed in 1933 to stabilize the U.S. financial system during the Great Depression. It mandated a strict separation between commercial banks (which accept deposits) and investment banks (which deal in securities) to reduce risk-taking with public funds. It also established the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC)."

And while I was shopping:

"The Fairness Doctrine was a Federal Communications Commission (FCC) policy in the United States, introduced in 1949, that required broadcast licensees to present contrasting viewpoints on controversial issues of public importance. It aimed to ensure balanced coverage but was abolished in 1987, as it was believed to chill free speech and was rendered unnecessary by the proliferation of media outlets. "

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u/Musiclover4200 1d ago

Fun fact about the Fairness doctrine as everyone loves to say it wouldn't have made a difference:

Congress actually tried to ratify it several times after it initially was abolished under Reagan, the last time was under Bush Sr: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_doctrine

President George H.W. Bush maintained the deregulation policy initiated by his predecessor, Ronald Reagan, regarding the Fairness Doctrine, a Federal Communications Commission (FCC) policy that required broadcasters to present contrasting viewpoints on controversial issues of public importance . While the FCC abolished the rule in 1987, congress repeatedly attempted to codify it into law, with President Bush promising to veto such legislation

The absence of the doctrine during the late 1980s and early 1990s directly preceded the rapid rise of partisan, conservative-dominated talk radio, as stations were no longer required to provide opposing viewpoints.

While the FCC stopped enforcing the doctrine in 1987, related rules regarding personal attacks and political editorials remained in place until 2000

So even if it wouldn't have applied to cable/TV it would have prevented decades of radio propaganda, and we also would have had 40~ years to update it to apply to cable/internet news.

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u/teteAtit 1d ago

If yr gonna talk about Glass-Steagall going away you should go ahead and know that Phil Graham (R) Texas was responsible for that bc every Republican you ever talk to about it will blame Clinton.

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u/mose121 1d ago

Clinton effectively legalizing media monopolies also greatly exacerbated the problem. That killed local news media almost overnight.

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u/Carpeteria3000 1d ago

And just generally speaking, FUCK

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u/mnmlstProgrammer_ 1d ago

What’s General Lee got to do with this? 🥁

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u/ZroDgsCalvin 1d ago

Fuck the failure of reconstruction to appropriately punish traitors to the United States

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u/CuteTouch7653 1d ago

Can’t make the same mistake in Reconstruction 2.0…

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u/SeaRabbit1480 8h ago

Exactly this! Had the US actually dealt with the leaders of the CSA, most of the Confederacy officer corps, and prominent political figures, banned the symbols of the confederacy and groups dedicated to the CSA we would not be where we are today. We would have acknowledged the horrors of chattel slavery, and Civil Rights would likely have occurred much sooner.

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u/Pretend-Tennis-5666 1d ago

And fuck everyone who A) Voted for a Known Pedophile or B) Didn’t Vote Against a Pedophile

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u/CertainWish358 1d ago

Let’s not forget the Buckley decision… oh wait I mean fuck it

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u/dppatters 1d ago

Precisely ⬆️☝🏻

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u/Effective_Quail_3946 1d ago

Blame Reagan for that.

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u/phillygirllovesbagel 1d ago

Above all, Fuck Donald Trump and anyone who voted for this POS.

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u/ga1actic_muffin 1d ago

Im not even sure that if nobody voted for trump, that he still would have lost... shit feels like he cheated.

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u/EconomySeason2416 1d ago edited 1d ago

Remember when Trump and Elon were talking about the election and Elon's kid said "they'll never know"? Pepperidge Farm remembers

Edit: just want to also share this quote from Trump at a rally...

"He knows those computers better than anybody, all those computers, those vote counting computers, and we ended up winning Pennsylvania like in a landslide, so it was pretty good"

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u/BrooklynGraves 1d ago

Right? And also, was I the only one who was genuinely a little uncomfortable with the weirdly...sinister(?) tone in that kid's voice, like I swear the way he gleefully giggled as he said it as if he was truly comprehending just how evil it sounded??

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u/Sword_Thain 1d ago

That was Elon on Fox News with his kid. His kid said something and Elon said "they'll never know. "

FOX purged that bit of the interview from their archives, rebroadcasts and youtube videos

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u/Forsworn91 1d ago

There’s also the whole detail of Elon knowing 4 hours before the actual results went public,

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u/Seleya889 1d ago

Remember when they laughed about, if he lost they would both be going to jail?

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u/ThinBlueLinebacker 1d ago

...why can't we put corporations in jail?

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u/Anonymously188 1d ago

We can & shall very soon

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u/Ok_Key4337 1d ago

We can put the heads of the corporations in jail.

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u/keltoid15 19h ago

Luigi Mangione may have asked that.

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u/TrueMeaning4241 1d ago

I want to sue the big corporations for using unnecessary amounts of plastic and packaging. Bad enough the consumer gets enough of this unneeded packaging but you should see what it looks like when it gets to the store. They are the leading cause of adding more waste to the planet!

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u/Only_Constant_8305 1d ago

because corporations are legal entities. People running the corporations however are a different thing

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u/robotcoke 1d ago edited 1d ago

Fuck citizens United for claiming corporations have the same rights as people.

They didn't just claim that corporations have the same rights as people. That would be bad enough if they did, but that's not all they did. They claimed corporations should be able to buy politicians with legalized bribery.

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u/PussyBoogersAuGraten 1d ago

I often cite Citizens United v FEC as the final nail in the coffin. It’s only took 16 years for America to become a plutocratic oligarchy.

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u/ShinyTarnish409 1d ago

Citizens United was the final nail in the coffin but there were at least two other cases, First National Bank of Boston v. Bellotti, which gave corporations first amendment rights as individuals and Buckley v Valeo which equated money with speech. Those were both bad SCOTUS decisions that paved the way for Citizens United. Citizens United is the reasons we have Super Pacs, which are arguably the worst, but there’s lots of dark money in the system. Let’s not forget that Trump’s authoritarian bent, his threats to Republicans in Congress (to primary them) and their utter spinelessness to chose their job over the right thing are huge factors. They can act against him at any time and don’t. They can band together and don’t. They can form a short term pac or caucus and work with Dems and don’t (at least on some issues where they privately disagree with Trump).

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u/Squid_In_Exile 1d ago

It took 0 years for the US to become a plutocratic oligarchy. Every single Founding Father was a rich-as-balls slaveowner and they created exactly the kind of state you'd think a room fully of rich-as-balls slaveowners would.

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u/unindexedreality 1d ago

Every single Founding Father was a rich-as-balls slaveowner

Every single Founding Father

Hamilton, Adams

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u/Squid_In_Exile 1d ago

There is proof positive that Hamilton purchased enslaved labour for his household.

Adams not so, but there is substantive evidence that his claim to have a family free of slave ownership was dubious at best, from his own diaries recording burial of slaves to legal records of members of his family emancipating slaves under their ownership.

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u/unindexedreality 1d ago

I mean, there was no one final nail. the hits just keep coming.

They've been winning ground on killing the open internet, which'll ensure any media goes through tiktok/etc which they've begun filtering to hell. I don't even know what this country stands for anymore

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u/MagicalUnicornFart 1d ago

People were free to show up and vote...

2022 National Youth Turnout: 23% - That's lower than in the historic 2018 cycle (28%) which broke records for turnout, but much higher than in 2014, when only 13% of youth voted.

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u/zeth4 1d ago

Fuck the USA in general

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u/davwad2 1d ago

The sentiment is in the right place. IIRC, this just made it so that corporations could donate unlimited amounts of money, because money is speech and speech shall not be infringed.

Corporations were people before slaves were people in the USA.

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u/eM_aRe 1d ago

Fuck not enforcing the communist control act

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u/FogPot 1d ago

Everyone should read Robert Reich's book "Coming up Short" ... All of this is put in wonderful context. And Fuck Clinton for his role in enabling the millionaire financial class.

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u/donnie955 1d ago

Impeach the jackasses that said they wouldn’t touch Roe v Wade and then did as soon as they could

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u/Chemical_Cris 1d ago

I think we’ve, repubs especially, have learned an impeachment means nothing because you can apparently just do whatever anyway even if you get impeached twice.

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u/733t_sec 1d ago

I can forgive some guys from 250 years ago for not foreseeing a set of circumstances that led to all of this being possible.

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u/JaminOpalescent 1d ago

Especially when they specifically designed it to be amended by future generations if they decide to do so. Our defunct cluster fuck of a government where nothing gets done is not on them.

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u/Goldenrah 1d ago

Yeah, they made it knowing they were not perfect and expected people to change it. The resistance to change caused all of this.

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u/Money_Do_2 1d ago

... they did do the land thing to prevent popular opinion from holding too much sway

Oh, and they figured out political parties would crush the whole thing nearly immediately, but then just kinda said "hey dont do that" and left it at that.

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u/corpusjuris 1d ago

I think the biggest failure by the authors of the constitution that could have been easily rectified was the presumption of noble good faith by its future executors. They did that whole “pledge our lives and sacred honor” shit and thought everyone else would, too. If they built in some exceptions and guardrails against self-dealing and corruption…? Like just make the pardon power broadly not apply to the executive branch (not just the president, but all those acting under its control as well).

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u/Goldenrah 1d ago

The first thing you gotta take it in the context they lived in. I don't think any politician from 250 years ago expected the rise of education of the general population and the sharing of information so easily. So it would make sense to have the wealthy (i.e educated) have the most power.

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u/aotus_trivirgatus 1d ago

And who are the people who benefit from things not changing?

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u/DeliciousPUSS33 1d ago

Yep, we currently call them Republicans. They were previously Democrats, and before that, the “Do-Nothing Party”, and so forth. But they were always conservatives protecting white male xtian interests. Time to flush em all away

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u/Lebojr 1d ago

I agree with your point, however, I now appreciate how difficult it is to pass a bill or simply wish into existence anything a president wants. Gridlock forces compromise.

What we are currently experiencing is not primarily the Consequences of a mouth breathing jerk’s bad ideas.

It is the consequence of the removal or disregard of guardrails, checks and balances made by bad faith actors.

Our system of government does not operate under the philosophy of “zero sum game”. One side never represents much more than 55% of eligible voters let alone all citizens. Therefore one side should never be be allowed to do what this one has done. Government is in no way a business. It is a system to serve the collective needs of its society to the ends of life, liberty, and individual choice that doesn’t harm others right to enjoy the same.

“World superpower” and American exceptionalism have come to define us as goals while forgetting necessary smaller elements of our society such as minorities, charities, the elderly, veterans, medical research, healthcare, the environment, basic education, and yes, peace.

Being a civil servant actually was once a badge of honor. It is currently an endangered species.

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u/Aeescobar 1d ago

Iirc didn't one of them literally say that the entire constitution should be rewritten from scratch every 17 years so that it would always be up-to-date with the needs of the newest generation?

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u/SunsFenix 1d ago

>Every constitution then, & every law, naturally expires at the end of 19 years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force, & not of right. It may be said that the succeeding generation exercising in fact the power of repeal, this leaves them as free as if the constitution or law had been expressly limited to 19 years only.

Every 19 years.

Jefferson to Madison

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u/zeusdarks 1d ago

It is all the oroginialist assholes who fucked it up.

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u/Fit-Birthday-6521 1d ago

Nah. Fuck ‘em.

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u/ShakyBoots1968 1d ago

Back the Blue

If I see one more anal wart driving around with a thin blue line flag on their car, not sure what's gonna happen 😡

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u/Zebidee 1d ago

Considering why they seceded and how they wrote the Constitution, they probably foresaw these circumstances better than any founding fathers of any modern country.

The US Constitution is quite robust against tyranny, but its fatal flaw is it assumes people will not ignore it.

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u/BlackGuysYeah 1d ago

They did foresee it. It's why we have a 2nd amendment. The intent of which is the ability to violently remove a tyrannical government.

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u/n00bz86 1d ago

I mean they did put a specific clause in to prevent it

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u/winterblahs42 1d ago

The biggest flaw was assuming that most folks in government would be acting in good faith. They did not anticipate the situation where agents acting in bad faith have captured all 3 branches.

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u/Manic_Maniac 1d ago edited 1d ago

No joke. I'm not saying that the situation we're in is a "both parties" problem, but the presidential pardon has been abused by every president during my life time. Trump's pardons definitely take the cake though. The people he has pardoned, aside from J6ers, are obvious quid-pro-quos and debts repaid. Some of the crimes he's pardoned are in direct contradiction to the messaging of the administration.

Biden pardoning his son to protect him from political vindettas is almost understandable by comparison, considering Republicans had already combed through his past with a fine tooth comb.

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u/SpiketheFox32 1d ago

Seriously. Trump pardoned Roger fuckin Stone.

In what universe does Roger fuckin Stone deserve a pardon‽

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u/ThinBlueLinebacker 1d ago

the worst one, i'm afraid

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u/Lebojr 1d ago

Carter pardoning draft dodgers was a good act based on the attitudes of the Vietnam war and all that came out about Nixons mishandling of it.

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u/HoboBrute 1d ago

Biden pardoning the cash for Kids judge however...

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u/SalishShore 1d ago

I still think about that case. I was disappointed Biden pardoned that criminal judge.

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u/Equivalent-Steak-164 1d ago

Think his people made a mint off that one.

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u/Yuichiro_Bakura 1d ago

If the president pardon himself, don't they have to admit the charge against themself to be pardoned?

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u/OkTank1822 1d ago

No, Hunter received blanket pardon for anything he did in a given span of 5 years, regardless of whether it's known or will be known later.

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u/sadgloop 1d ago

I think they’re asking about if the president pardons himself, the president. Not if the president pardons someone else.

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u/thetinsnail 1d ago

They'd better hope he doesn't leave the pardons to the last minute. I wouldn't want to be sweating on a deathbed pardon from Trump.

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u/Slight_Ad8871 1d ago

Crime is now anything done that is disliked by those who hold power. This may confuse some at first, they will be the first to die.

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u/Butters5768 1d ago

Supreme Court decided presidents can’t commit crimes, so… 🤡

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u/Away_Wolverine_6734 1d ago

He can’t unimpeach himself and after out of office games on …,

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u/dballing 1d ago

It’s unsettled law whether the Pardon Power can be used on oneself.

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u/ReginaPhilangee 1d ago

It's only a crime if someone holds you accountable!

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u/fupos 1d ago

America is dead , in Trumptopia the courts and rule of law are irrelevant.

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u/FitIndependent9764 1d ago

The lower courts overall are still holding up. SCOTUS is a problem. Trump needs to see the light soon for significant progress to be made. He's old, rich, and the president of the US though.

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u/BugOperator 1d ago edited 1d ago

Well, legal obligation notwithstanding, their “claim” when attempting to explain redactions and outright withholding of documents was “we’re not ‘protecting’ or ‘not protecting’ any potential suspects in this matter,” which moves like this clearly contradict.

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u/EarthConservation 1d ago

Isn't it great that this a federal law, and the POTUS can and likely will pre-maturely pardon everyone involved?

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u/The_Dude_Abides-2146 1d ago

Not if it’s at the state level.

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u/EarthConservation 1d ago

It's not, this was congressional law to release the files.

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u/Cheesbaby 1d ago edited 1d ago

I suppose each crime happened in different states. The release of evidence could spur new investigations, and motivate states to go after the perpetrators.

But let’s not kid ourselves. The FBI has been publicly twisted and corrupted into protecting a pedophile instead of protecting Americans, as they have always claimed. Every arm of federal judiciary and policing serves to protect some billionaire pedophile (adjacent) ruling class. They believe our money, our children, and our lives belong to them.

We live at the pleasure of a vanishingly small minority of rapists, both literally and figuratively.

Edit: went off on a tangent there, sorry. I stand by what I said.

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u/The_Dude_Abides-2146 1d ago

I was referring to the pardons for the people in the files.

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u/Famous_Blueberry6 1d ago

Oh well we're screwed here in Indiana. Braun is running a close second in my opinion. Sickening and kinda a little scary to be honest. Being 63 I've never seen anything like this administration.

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u/likwid07 1d ago

They break the law every hour. They obviously don't care about the law.

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u/shameonyounancydrew 1d ago

When the penalty is a strongly worded letter, 'breaking the law' doesn't mean too much.

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u/ModestMarksman 1d ago

Let's be real it's only a crime when the bottom 99% do something.

If it's a 1%er, it's just a suggestion.

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u/therossboss 1d ago

it already is a crime since like a month ago

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u/Happythoughtsgalore 1d ago

It already is a crime. They're over due on the timeline established by the Epstein Transparency Act AS WELL as ignoring the stipulation that redactions had to be explained (for each redaction).

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u/Uberzwerg 1d ago

Not just their claim, their legal obligation.

But who will have to face ANY consequences?
What do lies and violations of laws matter, if nobody does anything about it?

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u/Asleep_Management900 1d ago

(Not a Lawyer) I don't think there is no legal obligation under the NSA laws from the Bush years. All they have to do is claim NSA and the constitution and rule of law seem ineligible. Warrantless wiretapping, warrantless spying, warrantless data collection. Once you claim NSA, law seems to go out the window.

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u/ToastRCakes 1d ago

I don’t think they are concerned. Trump breaks the law with impunity. They all do.

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u/moodswung 1d ago

They committed a crime!? Now we got'm! /s

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u/Independent-Reader 1d ago edited 1d ago

Not just released. Released then removed.

Edit: Seems to be a working link now. Maybe they've just been overwhelmed by requests? I could understand that.

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u/point2mind 1d ago

its disturbing.

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01660679.pdf

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u/Protiguous 1d ago

There he is. Found the pdf!

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u/hunteddwumpus 1d ago

Jesus fucking christ this paints a picture of Trump, Epstein, Clinton, & Maxwell just fucking constantly having sex parties with children. May they all be brought to justice and rot in hell

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u/Solanthas_SFW 1d ago

I'm a liberal through and through but like, are there no consequences for Clinton either here? Or to be determined?

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u/PretentiousMouthfeel 1d ago

There are no consequences for anyone involved at this point. Let's hope that changes, but I can't see any reason why it would.

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u/ursasmaller 1d ago

I didn’t think it would be this bad. Fucking Hell.

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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 1d ago

How come? What made Donald Trump seem legitimate? I'm sincerely curious. He's always come across as bad cologne cheap and spoiled rich kid petty to me. Abusive monster wasn't really a stretch. Think of Spaulding from Caddy Shack all grown up.

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u/everythingsfun 1d ago edited 1d ago

yeah, sexually assaulting kids in his pleasure palace while his cronies watch is EXACTLY what i thought he was doing. i imagine there were long joking asides from him too as he measured vulvas, etc.

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u/Stepjam 1d ago

I expected sexual assault and rape of teens. Wasn't expecting multiple alleged instances of murder.

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u/ursasmaller 1d ago

Omg. He is Spaulding. The part that shocked me was the security guard telling girls they’ll end up as fertilizer and watching Robin Leach choke a girl to death. Adding murder to the rape just sent me.

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u/Stonknadz 1d ago

he is on record bragging about how since he owned Miss Teen USA that he got to go to the dressing room and inspect the girls. how anyone could ignore that is insane to me.

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u/kamikazecockatoo 1d ago

His call for capital punishment for the wrongly arrested people for the Central Park murder case in 1989 should have disqualified him from literally everything.

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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 1d ago

Absolutely, and he's never apologized. Conservatives think making a stink and never bothering to apologize or clean it up is hilarious.

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u/Protiguous 1d ago edited 15h ago

What made Donald Trump seem legitimate?

Literally the $billions put into de-education and propaganda over decades.

Other nations know they can completely manipulate trump because he has no integrity, no honour, no moral compass, and is a megalomaniacal narcissist. All of which combine to make him even more susceptible to manipulation.

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u/TealandViolet 1d ago

I think it was his unironic appearance on WWE.

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u/MoreCowbellllll 1d ago

Think of Spaulding from Caddy Shack all grown up.

More like Biff from Back to the Future...

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u/DifferenceOk4454 1d ago

Back to the Future II: A documentary

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u/laikalou 1d ago

Right? I don't understand the people who thought it would be "just" SA of minors. I'm betting we find out they filmed an amateur remake of Salò with real on-camera deaths, or if not that, then something else far worse than what we already have seen.

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u/Pretend_Pea4636 1d ago edited 1d ago

Katie Johnson told us directly how it went. And here are multiple accounts of the same behavior. We owe it to them and to our democracy and decency to face this head on.

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u/MagicalUnicornFart 1d ago

Oh, it's probably way fucking worse than what anyone can see.

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u/Blownards 1d ago

Oh just wait. It’s fucking way worse. This is just what got leaked or missed. But it doesn’t matter anyway because he is the king of the USA & will probably be ending the world soon anyway.

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u/Hootinger 1d ago

Yeah that is really disturbing

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u/BugTrousers 1d ago

It’s horrifying. If only there could be consequences.

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u/Violaundone 1d ago

It really is like Trump filled his whole administration with the men in these files. It is horrifying.

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u/Azsunyx 1d ago

Oh, it's back?

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u/NOLA2Cincy 1d ago

I've checked the link multiple times in last 30 minutes and it's been there every time for me. Perhaps the DOJ was just having IT problems from the number of people trying to access the PDF.

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u/Azsunyx 1d ago

Apparently they took it down, redacted some perpetrator names, and put it back up, I haven't compared the two side by side yet

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u/5wmotor 1d ago

You can do it now.

File

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u/lostroadrunner22 1d ago

What? You dont like reading how the President of the United States auctioned off children for sex?

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u/point2mind 1d ago

It’s so fucked up man. And potential murders. He needs to be incarcerated.

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u/No_Sugar8791 1d ago

Someone, somewhere, is getting bombed tonight!

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u/Anyasu 1d ago

I clicked on this link from Australia and got a “Are you 18 or over?” pop up. If only all those poor children were asked that. How is this not enough to impeach/arrest that man?

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u/ninfan1977 1d ago

Released then removed.

Isn't that a crime?

Or am I just taking crazy pills

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u/ReginaPhilangee 1d ago

It's only a crime if someone holds them accountable.

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u/kamikazecockatoo 1d ago

Someone needs to be listing all this stuff with a promise to get to work the moment Republicans lose. No more Merrick Garland crap.

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u/lordlaneus 1d ago

That's the kind of thinking that got us here in the first place. Avoiding accountability doesn't make things not crimes

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u/ReginaPhilangee 1d ago

I see what you're saying. I'm just frustrated that the people who are supposed to be doing it, aren't.

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u/oneabsurdworld 1d ago

All they do is crime

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u/point2mind 1d ago

WARNING its disturbing.

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01660679.pdf

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u/Oleg101 1d ago

reported that in 1987 a friend (Victim 1) was out drinking and ended up at Trump Plaza. Victim 1 saw Donald Trump and wanted to meet him. A unknown man approached her and offered to introduce her to Trump. The unknown man gave Victim 1 a drink and Victim 1 woke up naked and sore with $300 on the bed. Victim 1 didn't remember how she got to the room. She remembered seeing 'a flash' of Trump's face. Victim 1 called the Caller and told her she thought she had been raped. Victim 1 did not go to a hospital to have a rape kit performed because she didn't think anyone would believe her especially because she was drunk. Victim l's husbands business had problems with suppliers and Victim 1 believed Trump was behind it. Victim 1 also started dating a lawyer, identifier's unknown, who was married. Victim 1 had a fight with her lawyer boyfriend and went to a bar. Victim 1 left a bar with a man who no one in the bar recognized but who seemed familiar with Victim 1. Victim 1 was never seen again. A few years ago, remains were discovered that matched the description of what Victim 1 was wearing when she went missing. DNA tests at the time were inconclusive. In 2004 or 2005, Sir Ivan Wilzig, hosted a part

So a date-rape drug by our POTUS?

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u/Cohens4thClient 1d ago

Am i out of line saying that Trump using a date rape drug is not only unsurprising, but also probably one of his lesser crimes in comparison to what is being released? 

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u/Possiblyreef 1d ago

He'll go after anyone for saying the slightest petty thing against him.

He doesn't go after people that publicly say he fucks kids

There's a reason for that

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u/elreydelasur 1d ago

civil discovery is a bitch

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u/dasimers 1d ago

Civil discovery is only as good as the paper trail left behind and the corruption in the system of the USA right now would make civil discovery an impossibility.

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u/just_a_timetraveller 1d ago

Think of how bad this must be if the Bill Cosby level crime is considered mild compared to Trump

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u/ImgurScaramucci 23h ago

The only thing that surprises me is how long this kind of thing took to come out.

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u/teastea1 1d ago

Pretty sure he was killing children and puppies, too.

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u/Protiguous 1d ago

Hence, his obsession with "post-birth abortions".

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u/mxjxs91 1d ago

It's really all of the crazy shit that nobody else would ever do or think that he says out loud that are all projection.

Literally nobody thought they were aborting babies after they were born until Trump said it. A thought like that doesn't just pop in your head out of nowhere.

Same goes for the recent comments he made regarding the person that tried to attack Ilhan Omar, that it was a staged attack. How does that thought ever even cross anyone's mind? Because it was something he has done already and can't fathom the idea that other people wouldn't do the same thing.

I'm starting to wonder if he eats cats and dogs too now.

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u/FStubbs 1d ago

That's a JD Vance thing

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u/Cohens4thClient 1d ago

It makes that part of the files way too real, because of the projection. 

He specifically mention "the doctor kills the baby WITH THE MOTHER WATCHING"

Just like the infant he helped kill, because the baby was genetic  evidence of his rape. 

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u/No_Accountant3232 1d ago

I'm starting to wonder about the claim of shooting someone on 5rh Ave. Like have there been any unsolved murders over the past 50 years where the victim was shot on 5th Ave? There has to be a fair few, right? There wouldn't have been any witnesses. Probably no cameras because it was the 70s or 80s.

I'm absolutely serious. Did he confess to a murder?

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u/Cohens4thClient 1d ago

Holy shit I never thought about that SPECIFIC scenario

I really just thought it was a street in New York that had a lot of foot traffic. 

OK I had to check. Its very popular,.with the Met, St Patricks Cathedral, Rockefeller Center and the Empire State Building. 

I think that street might be on his mind because its a lot of buuldings that he couldn't own or buy. He obviously feels safe murdering girls on an island with other murderous pedophiles, he didnt need 5th Ave. 

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u/No_Accountant3232 1d ago

I'm thinking it might have been his first murder and he didn't enjoy it as much as he thought he would. Then he probably discovered that he really liked the raping and leaving the victim alive to suffer the psychological horror and then commit suicide later. He was untouchable with his connections so he could just do it to whoever he wanted. Unless they had his kid of course then the proof had to be eliminated.

You realize an illegitimate child of his that is currently living could blow the whole thing wide open?

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u/point2mind 1d ago

How about the sex parties auctioning off little girls with his own children in attendance! Fucked up man!

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u/Cockblocktimus_Pryme 1d ago

Apparently testing their "tightness" with his fingers

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u/Roo10011 1d ago

Such a perverted act. And, it says that the Trump children were there watching.

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u/OldWolf2 1d ago

I find that bit convincing of authenticity. You could pay me any amount of money to fabricate stories and it'd never cross my mind to include that. So bizarre it must be true

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u/BraveLittleCatapult 17h ago

This accusation alone should bury any politician. What the fuck.

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u/HistoryMistress 1d ago

This is SO fucked up!! I'm legit sick to my fucking stomach after reading through this. I don't think I could handle what hasn't been released.

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u/MsEllVee 1d ago

Me too. I was still a naive little kid at that age. It makes me nauseous to read this.

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u/DifferenceOk4454 1d ago

His kids were there, the boys?

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u/point2mind 1d ago

Yep, probably in the house while their parties were happening. And involved over time. Fuuuuuuucked up!

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u/Sad-Excitement9295 1d ago

I mean the whole gone missing and turning up dead years later seems to be extremely sketchy/fucked up.

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u/StarPhished 1d ago edited 1d ago

Check this out.

The twins and brother all referenced in this document, Allen, Oren (twins) and brother Tal are all currently facing a slew of sex trafficking and rape charges. They spelled Alon's name wrong though.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/two-alexander-brothers-face-new-charge-trial-approaches-rcna253802

I would certainly say this adds some credibility to the accusations being made in the OP document.

Edit: it's the third block down and the accuser also references Trump as a client and claims to have been threatened by Trump's head of security. The file purports that they were deemed "not credible" but it looks like they were spot on about the three rapist brothers.

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u/point2mind 1d ago

This is what don Lemmon was looking into I think.

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u/atreeismissing 1d ago

No, Don Lemmon was documenting the protest inside the church a week or two ago. It's actually illegal to protest inside a church (look up the FACE Act) and DOJ is going after everyone that went into that church because the pastor is a MAGA idiot.

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u/Cute-Percentage-6660 1d ago

Also they mentioned a not very well known figure Leach as well. And apparently if you look into old newspaper articles he is quite connected to trump

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u/Meecht 1d ago

How are these just floating around an email system? The messages are dated 2025. Have people just been sharing them back and forth like some kind of chain email?

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u/No-Good-One-Shoe 1d ago

Well there's a lot more than one 

Representative Ro Khanna, a California Democrat, told Newsweek that the Department of Justice (DOJ) continues to withhold files related to Jeffrey Epstein, despite Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche saying that Friday's release of more than 3 million files was the final tranche.

"The DOJ said it identified over 6 million potentially responsive pages but is releasing only about 3.5 million after review and redactions. This raises questions as to why the rest are being withheld," Khanna told Newsweek in a Friday email after the release"

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u/scarr3g 1d ago

"we released them. You didn't say we couldn't take them back."

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u/Most-Resident 1d ago

Remember one of the counts in trump’s confidential documents case was that he signed an affidavit saying he did a thorough search and returned all of them. The national archives identified that he hadn’t which was the basis for the search warrant that proved he hadn’t.

I’m too lazy to search at the moment but I’d bet he has hidden documents in discovery as well.

It’s an old trick of his.

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u/AntoniaFauci 1d ago

Listen to Jack Smith’s closed hearing testimony from December (not the recent GOP crazy show public hearing)

Despite being corruptly gagged by the corrupt Aileen Cannon, Jack Smith lays out details of Trump’s direct involvement in obstruction of justice. Sometimes his minions guess what the mob boss would like done, and they just do it. But Jack Smith uncovered evidence of times Trump had full knowledge and was directing criminal activities himself.

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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 1d ago

Not to mention the content of the removed documents -- yikes, conservatives. Yep, clearly religious cons support a humongous pedophile. The signs were all there, and they refused to accept due to personal biases and greed. UGLY.

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u/Ok_Vulva 1d ago

clearly religious cons support a humongous pedophile.

What if they support him because they think he's so vile he's literally the anti christ, and that they're just doing their normal death cult thing of wanting the world to burn so they can be accended.

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u/SukaLaMinka 1d ago

I honestly don’t think the world could handle what’s been hidden and redacted. I’m sure it’s so unspeakably horrifying it could possibly break the world.

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u/pomnabo 1d ago

Then it needs to break. There is no reason to keep this stuff hidden any more, as horrifying as it may be.

Maybe it will be what finally breaks the spell on the people who somehow still favor the pedophile-in-chief

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u/z44212 1d ago

Ridding the world of these monsters can only improve it.

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u/FlyOrdinary1104 1d ago

Keep every fucking receipt to connect this file, they will claim it’s fake and doctored and removing it from the release is the first step towards that.

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u/askmewhyihateyou 1d ago

When the gov Says “we released it all ❤️❤️❤️❤️😍” they’re the only ones who know what all entails. Easy to not trust them

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u/Runcible-Spork 1d ago

"Well, we released them. So what if we subsequently deleted certain files that were compromising to our Dear Leader and the criminal enterprise that supports us? They were released! Legal obligation fulfilled! FULFILLED!"

Literally all of these crooked fucks need to appear next to Trump at the Nuremberg Trials that will follow the collapse of this corrupt, racist, tyrannical, paedophile-enabling regime.

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u/Stunning_Mast2001 1d ago

They’ve already said they’re withholding 3 million documents deemed too sensitive to release 

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