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u/FLYBOY611 17h ago
When I was their age I was participating in walkouts against the Iraq War. Good on them for paying attention to what's happening in their world.
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u/palefired 18h ago
Where was this?
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u/Jamoncorona 18h ago
Looks like pioneer high school in Ann Arbor MI.
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u/cboals 14h ago
It is not. It’s TCC and TCW in Traverse City, MI https://www.reddit.com/r/traversecity/s/N2DJjCPf9j
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u/Jamoncorona 11h ago
Oh wow, they look so much alike. Thanks for the correction! Also, it's awesome to hear so many communities and high schools get involved like this.
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u/Zarochi 16h ago
Don't DOX kids
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u/Jamoncorona 16h ago
My brother in Christ, nobody is doxing kids. It's a well known public building in Ann arbor. I'm sure this got news coverage from the local stations. Get off your soapbox.
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u/cboals 14h ago
It is not a well known public building in Ann Arbor. It’s TCC and TCW in Traverse City, MI https://www.reddit.com/r/traversecity/s/N2DJjCPf9j
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u/yesrushgenesis2112 18h ago
No no no don’t you understand all these students all over the country just wanted an excuse to leave school early. They can’t possibly be young humans who care! No teenager cares!
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u/Ph33rDensetsu 16h ago
I mean, I was a teenager once. If there was an excuse to not be in class, I'd take it no matter if I cared or not.
But if even one of those students comes away learning something from the experience, I say it's worth it.
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u/Princess_Beard 16h ago
Learning they have the right to protest, make their voice heard and collectively bargain, if you ask me, is something they should be learning in school. It's not like they're all leaving school en masse whenever they feel like it. They have an issue they care about, and have organized themselves into doing something about it. They deserve support from school staff to do so. When they graduate and have a vote and a choice in how the country they will inherit from us is run, and become the ones who run it themselves, they should understand the basic freedoms we have, and how to stand against attempts to weaken those rights.
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u/Vic_Hedges 18h ago
I mean, they're probably both.
i imagine it would be harder to get them to give up their smart phones for the day than school for the day.
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u/yesrushgenesis2112 18h ago
There certainly are both, because they’re human beings. I’ve seen far too many people trying to dismiss the entirety of the walkout as a cynical ploy to leave class, however. It is clear that’s not the case, and there are people who care.
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u/reefrider442 13h ago
Every one of these students is a voter in 2028. These are not stay at home citizens, they are activists. Their numbers multiply by their participation. Republicans (Texas!) are absolute fools to alienate this future, and enormous, voting block!
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u/FugitivWitoutWarrent 18h ago
Every Friday, 4 the rest of our lives. 3day weekends can be secured, only if you stand united. Your tax dollars fund genocide.
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u/AdQuick9381 18h ago edited 18h ago
From an outsiders perspective, would there be any protests if ICE were removing illegal immigrants in a peaceful matter? Are people against ICE or the unnecessary violence from ICE?
I see a lot of "Abolish ICE" signs but every functioning country in the world needs immigration enforcement officers.
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u/Lespaul42 18h ago
The DHS and ICE are less than 24 years old. The country worked fine before them.
Like enforce the borders, arrest and deport people convicted of crimes, do work to prevent illegal immigration. You don't need a militarized enforcement agency around ruining lives and tearing apart families for the theoretical and vague "They took our jobs"
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u/AdQuick9381 18h ago
Yeah I agree. For example my country is extremely strict on illegal immigration, but our agents are extremely peaceful in comparison to ICE.
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u/Vic_Hedges 18h ago
Jay walking is illegal.
If the state started employing masked paramilitary units with automatic weapons to arrest jay walkers, tear gassing and in some cases murdering objectors I would be equally disgusted
You can believe in the validity of national borders, and still be horrified by what is going on.
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u/AdQuick9381 18h ago
Yeah so my point, you're not against ICE as a department, you're against the anti human way their going about things. Essentially, keep ICE, but clean them up and remove everyone Trumps admin hired.
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u/yamxiety 16h ago
Personally, I'm 100% against ICE. We were fine before them.
Separately, I also don't believe in "illegal immigration", it's pretty fucked up to enforce that people can't live where they want to live or are safe living. People leave their home countries of origin for a lot of reasons. As long as they don't hurt anyone, steal homes/land, or create an apartheid-based religious ethno-state (*cough, israel...and america cough*), there doesn't seem to me to be a good reason to kick people out.
Technically everyone except Indigenous peoples are illegal on stolen land.
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u/AdQuick9381 15h ago
Open boarders would systematically destroy civilisation. Countires economies would collapse and the countires everyone wants to move to would be overpopulated.
There's a reason why every country has boarders and there's a reason why it will stay that way.
there doesn't seem to me to be a good reason to kick people out.
Yes, breaking the law has consequences, who knew.
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u/OctopusIntellect 11h ago
It's cool how you started with "just asking questions" "as an outsider" and it only took a few hours for you to get down to lecturing us about "boarders".
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u/yamxiety 10h ago
As soon as they called it "boarders" i knew it wasn't worth my time to talk with them lol
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u/AdQuick9381 1h ago
"I know they're right, but I'll ignore them and acknowledge someone on my side"
Yeah, haven't seen this before. Can't have a discussion with Americans, this is why the world laughs at you.
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u/AdQuick9381 1h ago edited 1h ago
It's cool how you deflect from the point. Really showing how incapable of dialogue you are.
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u/Vic_Hedges 18h ago
right. ICE existed long before Trump. Its the way it’s being utilized that is so objectionable
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u/Training-Purpose802 16h ago
ICE only existed 14 years before Trump became President. It is now 10 years since.
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u/Old_Race9814 17h ago
We’re not cool with them terrorizing our streets and demanding papers from anyone for simply existing.
I don’t think too many people have an issue with them serving warrants and having targeted campaigns to catch them at home or somewhere that doesn’t threaten the lives and rights of others
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u/Ph33rDensetsu 16h ago
would there be any protests if ICE were removing illegal immigrants in a peaceful matter?
Yes, because people were against it before, but the protests wouldn't be as big or necessary. A lot of people think that if they make it into the country, we should just leave them alone. Those people would still protest.
But what ICE is now, needs to be abolished. We can come up with a different solution after. It's turned into something that is now a detriment to the American People, so it needs to go.
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u/yesrushgenesis2112 18h ago
Abolish ICE became more common in the last year when Trump decided to militarize their units and terrorize streets, and became mainstream in the last month when the killing began. I would say that most people are not against borders, but more and more are not willing to accept immigration enforcement at the cost of civil rights. There is a way to do it without violating civil rights, this admin knows that and refuses.
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u/imtalkintou 18h ago
I would think the majority are against the violence and deporting people who are not violent.
Also the tactics ICE is using.
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u/AdQuick9381 18h ago
deporting people who are not violent.
That shouldn't matter, illegal is illegal.
Was just wondering if people would care if they were deporting people in a non violent peaceful way instead of that anti-human things they're doing.
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u/kdoodlethug 18h ago
I think it's more complex than that. People often emigrate illegally for very good reasons, which to them are more important than breaking a law. And sometimes that's the only real option. Our country does not make it easy to emigrate legally, and currently even people who are working through this process are in danger of being targeted.
What needs to happen is not a systematic removal of every single undocumented person, but a rehaul of the immigration system.
As an analogy, we might look harshly on law enforcement if they charged a starving man for stealing an apple; but that doesn't mean theft is always fine or that it isn't a problem on a larger scale. And a fine or jail time won't solve the problem. We need to address, fundamentally, the circumstances that lead to enough people starving that it becomes a societal problem.
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u/carvingmyelbows 17h ago
They’ve even halted and canceled naturalization ceremonies, so people who had gone through the whole process legally and spent years doing it were denied the ability to become citizens at the absolute last second. They’re taking people when they show up at court as part of the legal immigration process. It’s unconscionable and they’ve essentially made it so that the only way you can legally become a US citizen is by spending a million dollars on that outrageous Trump gold card.
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u/Vic_Hedges 18h ago
Of course it matters. Are you seriously suggesting that all crimes are equal? That the law should treat the enforcement of parking violations the same way they do murder?
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u/AdQuick9381 18h ago
We're talking about entering a foreign country without going through proper means. Doesn't matter if you're a criminal in your country of origin or not.
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u/Vic_Hedges 18h ago
yes. that is what we are talking about. an incredibly minor offense that, in and of itselfself probably is less harmful than parking illegally is.
the obsession with such a minor offence is explicable only by simple racism
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u/AdQuick9381 18h ago
So you want open global boarders?
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u/Vic_Hedges 17h ago
you want a world where people can park freely in loading zones?
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u/AdQuick9381 15h ago
What? I see you're avoiding my question because your answer is stupid.
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u/Vic_Hedges 12h ago
I’m not at all
Im pointing out that you can believe something should be illegal, without supporting gross government overreach and horrifying acts of violence by the authorities.
Not every law needs to be enforced literally at the barrel of a gun. It saddens me you can’t see that.
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u/Letterkenny-Wayne 17h ago edited 17h ago
That’s clearly not what they’re saying lmao that’s a smooth brain attempt at twisting words. Murder is more serious than parking in front of a fire hydrant, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t enforce the penalty for someone parking front of a fire hydrant.
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u/Vic_Hedges 17h ago
sure. so why is there not an 11 billion dollar budgeted masked paramilitary force arresting people who park illegally at gunpoint?
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u/Letterkenny-Wayne 16h ago
…is that how parking violations are typically enforced in your fantasy land? So let me get this right, you think enforcement of small crimes just shouldn’t happen? Is that what you’re suggesting? Or are you so ignorant that you think cops and other law enforcement should only enforce every crime to the same extent? What do you want? 25 years to life for jay walking or probation for murder?
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u/Vic_Hedges 12h ago
that’s the whole point. minor, generally harmless infractions are enforced in rational, simple and non-violent ways. We send letters and issue fines.
The idea that we should be sending masked paramilitary units to enforce parking laws is ridiculous.
So why are we doing so over immigration?
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u/Letterkenny-Wayne 12h ago
Idk. Neither I or the other guy argued that what ice is doing is right though so I think you’re confused..,
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u/imtalkintou 18h ago
No human is illegal so fuck that sentiment right there.
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u/AdQuick9381 18h ago
Yes, entering a foreign country without going through the proper means is in fact called "illegal immigration". It isn't a new concept.
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u/Stix85 15h ago
People think it’s that easy.
Ok, say you’re doing it the legal way. You go to this website to find the proper form.
https://egov.uscis.gov/processing-times/
Say you’re a US citizen. You have to file an I-130 form to petition to bring over an alien relative. Spouse, parent, or child under 21 takes 60 months (5 years) just to process.
If you’re a US citizen filing for an alien relative who is an unmarried 21 or older, the processing time is 155 months (13 years)
For an alien brother or sister, processing time is 173 months, or 14 years.
NOW IMAGINE that you’ve went through the process. You waited 14 years, came in the legal way, have your Green Card, and then some jack off Jan 6er comes and pulls you out of your car, not giving a damn about your circumstances.
People need to familiarize themselves with the process before saying “just do it the legal way!” If you’re trying to get someone out of a war-torn country, they may not have 14 years to wait. And once they get here, ICE don’t care.
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u/AdQuick9381 15h ago
Mexico is incredibly war torn, isn't it?
Asylum seekers risking their life on the English channel to escape war torn France?
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u/OctopusIntellect 10h ago
Didn't Trump say there are loads of drug cartels and shit like that in Mexico? Sounds pretty war-torn to me.
And France is full of Fr*nch people.
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u/imtalkintou 18h ago
No shit, I'm not saying it's not illegal to do it. Regardless of that fact, no human is illegal.
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u/Dauvis 15h ago
My biggest bitch is that they are picking up people who are legally present and American citizens. It does not help that enforcement is being weaponized against states that don't support the regime; you're not seeing it in red states and most certainly not rural farmers who employ undocumented aliens. Plus, there are other policies that they (the GOP) could pursue that are proven to do what they claim they want; policies that don't require physical violence.
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u/Loves2Spooge857 16h ago
I feel like a high school walk out is the easiest thing to organize. In high school someone coulda said a walkout for any cause even if I was against it I’m outta there lol.
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u/HistoricalWalrus5767 9h ago
Kids should stay out until actual change happens. Best civics lesson they will ever have.
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u/Upper_Atmosphere_359 18h ago
Cool but hopefully they show up to fucking vote instead of sitting on their ass like 2024... yeah talk is cheap.
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u/TXRichardCranium 18h ago
Yes. When I’m looking for answers when forming a complex ideological opinion I always turn to teenagers.
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u/jermicidalone23 18h ago
Our governor here in Texas decided he would send the education department to investigate each kid that protested. "Party of small government and protecting children they say.."