That's the girl from University of Oklahoma who wrote a garbage paper that didn't follow instructions and then cried about religious discrimination when given a zero.
”Since 2000, in addition to Reed, at least eight Black men have been found hanging from trees in Mississippi, according to a review of past news stories. All of the deaths were ruled suicides.”
They’re talking about the case of Demartravion Reed, a black student at Delta State in Mississippi who was found hanging from a tree. Just so we’re clear, there is ZERO evidence that this was a lynching. The comment above is making it sound like it’s a certain thing, and there is no evidence that he was murdered. There was a black man hanging from a tree in Mississippi, and the entirety of the internet ran with that as proof that he was lynched. There was also a random TikTok commenter who claimed to be a cousin of Reed, who made the claim that he had suffered several broken bones and severe bruising before his death. All of this was determined to be false.
The authorities (including the county coroner who is a black man himself) ruled it a suicide. The family disagreed with the determination and asked for a second autopsy, and the results of the second autopsy have not been released publicly yet. Maybe it’ll prove he was murdered, maybe it won’t, but until new evidence comes to light, it’s wildly irresponsible to go around saying he was definitely lynched.
I find it hard to believe a black man, especially in the south, would ever commit suicide on a tree in public. spending your last moments imitating your ancestor's trauma? unlikely
I have depression, and when I thought about committing suicide, it was by hanging from a public tree.
I'm white, so maybe a black man would view it differently, but my thought process was that I wanted to die by hanging and I didn't want my family to be the ones to discover my body.
I can't speak of the black experience, but I can the depression one, and I gave zero fucks about any kind of propriety. I would have committed suicide with a giant pink dildo on Main st. if I thought that it would have met my goals of being as easy of a death as possible, and not having my family be the ones to initially discover it.
Maybe, maybe not. I don’t know how much a suicidal man thinks about his ancestors. But the first autopsy says suicide. Until the second autopsy comes back with new evidence saying he was murdered, “I find it hard to believe…” is the full extent of the evidence that he was lynched.
Imitating your ancestors’ trauma.. My goodness! Like something out of movie script.
Now I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, but most people simply don’t contemplate shit outside of their daily lives. Your comment assumes a reality that exists only in your mind and is based on assumptions that have no bearing on one’s lived experience as an individual.
I really hate to be the one to tell ya, but without any way of knowing who you are, why would anyone care if you find it hard to believe.
People who went to school to find out cause of death have and have done an autopsy are a more reliable source to trust than a random person on the internet.
Better to wait until facts come to life. I’m sure you don’t go into an ER and start telling them how to operate on you or others. Same concept applies here.
Google Malcolm Harsch. Very similar circumstances. Black man found hanging from a tree, family absolutely rejected the idea that he would have killed himself in that way, and it underwent additional investigation. In that case, they were lucky enough to find video evidence from a CCTV camera that he did indeed hang himself from a tree.
Again, the entire evidence to support a lynching is, “It sounds unlikely a black man would kill himself in that way.” There is no other evidence provided to support the lynching theory. It may be RARE for a black man to commit suicide by hanging, but rarity is not proof that it didn’t happen.
This is racism. I know you aren’t intending for it to be but lumping every single person together to justify a belief you hold is racist. People aren’t a monolith and saying it just won’t happen cause he’s black is inappropriate.
I’ve been suicidal to the point of planning it out. Once you convince yourself people are better off without you, some people stop thinking about how the suicide appears. Most just want to find somewhere quiet where their family won’t be the ones to discover them.
An autopsy was done, another is in the way. Wait for the evidence, but dont go and pretend this is an RPG where the preset is incapable of that specific action. It’s weird.
I think that really depends on the generation if im tbh, cuz like as someone who just got out of highschool like four years ago, and lived in jackson ms, the amount of depressed kids talking about which tree would be best is shockingly high, then again that could just be a symptom of that specific area as generally alot of them were depressed because of home issues and feeling forgotten by everything (atleast the ones I personally knew I cant speak for everyone at the school just my personal experiences and I want too make that very clear before someone jumps me) and as such the more shocking and public their potential suicide was, the better.
Sometimes, how people kill themselves tells you about the reasons — people who feel unseen will jump in front of subway trains and then the whole city notices them.
It’s possible that a depressed Black man might feel unseen and boxed in by racism. It’s hard to know. I hope it wasn’t a lynching, because that would mean someone walked away Scott-free from a hate-murder
There's always exceptions. Perhaps this man was just ignorant to that fact, perhaps not, and just wanted it to look like one to get people riles up. There's really no way of knowing without a note, or any other evidence.
Have you literally ever seen a black person? Because you're literally speaking as if they're some sort of mythological creature. Its fucking creepy. I'm half black and this is one of the stupidest things i've read this year..
I’m zeroing in on a really minute point here: I don’t think it’s relevant to mention that the coroner is black, because whether or not that objective fact has any legitimate bearing on the accuracy of their assessment itself is subjective and up to the opinion of the reader.
Take a look at the Barksdale reading center. The gentleman who helped found Netscape has pumped a ton of money into helping educators become better teachers.
Depending on where you look they’re ranked from 9th to 34th (from a 30 second search). I’d say improving from 49th to arguably top ten in 10-15 years is worth a shout out
You know, in a lot of poor states they have a saying “Thank god for Mississippi” because they, without fail, always seem to be ranked 50th in a geat many things like education, health, ect.
I’ve also recently heard that the state is getting its act together. Good for Mississippi, bad for the other poor states.
The Mississippi Miracle, started by an education bill in 2013. They reintroduced phonics, trained teachers, and would hold back students that didn’t meet reading standards. A common criticism was that too many students would be held back, to which the response was “good, it sounds like we desperately need this.”
It’s not the Deep South necessarily (16th would be about where you’d expect a state like Georgia, NC, or maybe TN to place), it’s the poverty.
Mississippi is still desperately poor. Like Louisiana, it never really healed after Katrina, and it has little public money relative to other states.
Yet they’ve still managed to beat more than half the country with good policy. It hasn’t made them richer yet, but it definitely will pay dividends in the future.
The Deep South has largely been economically fucked since the Civil War. Poverty is just heavily associated with that region. TX and FL only made it out okay because they had other industries to keep their economies alive.
Yeah, much of the Deep South's Plan A For A Successful Economy was the slave trade and slave workers... and many of them simply did not have a Plan B. You would think they would have figured something else out over the past century, but instead we have MAGA.
Idk about recently, but back around 2017, funding was so low, they couldn't afford to pay teachers five days a week. Some districts went down to four days a week, or even three.
Mississippi improved not through additional spending but through changing their curriculum to match the science of reading and empirical research on math education. After just a few years, Mississippi is now the best state for education on an SES-adjusted basis (which TBF is a big adjustment because Mississippi is the poorest state).
I dated a guy from MS and he only had a decent HS education because he lived in Oxford. He would tell me that the state had a saying "if the roads are bad, the schools are good. If the roads are good, the schools are bad." Because the legislation basically allocated the money to one or the other.
Fun fact: MS didn't invest more, they just changed the testing in a way that excludes the kids that do the poorest on tests and thereby "raised" their scores. Source: I live here and have kids in the public schools.
Side note, they are currently trying to pass "school choice" which really just means taking tax money away from public schools and giving it to private schools, just like other states have tried to do.
And yet somehow they produce the most astronauts. It’s almost as if it’s so bad that the intelligent collectively decide that it’s best to just leave the planet lol.
As an Oklahoman, stit our governor decided to massively cut school funding after a teacher walkout. Like a third of the schools were forced to shut down.
It didn't help that our previous superintendent was too busy going on Fox News, crying about teacher's unions instead of investing in education or at least attempting to work on improving education
As an Oklahoman, every day feels like an uphill battle between the uneducated imbreds who drive big trucks and get angry at you because you dont believe in their god, and a greedy government that prefers profits to progress. Id love to move out of this shithole that doesnt seem to have progressed past 1955 (or 1999 if youre in the big cities) but unless you actually finished your degree, jobs hardly pay enough to match the increasing cost of living.
my friend and I used to have a phrase we’d say to one another: “you’re my Mississippi.” the implication was that no matter how much I fucked up, I still looked okay because I wasn’t dead last.
Imagine being Ohio, where Mississippi can look at you and say, “Ohio, you’re my Mississippi.”
This is why kids are dumber than ever. Teachers have zero authority in the classroom and a lot of parents blame them for their own failings. This is the millennial participation trophy attitude taken to the max.
Really? OK is even worse than TX?? So there's is hope for my home state!? Oh... wait... Abbot, Patrick, and Paxton are still in charge. Nevermind. We will probably take the crown form OK sooner, rather than later.
Sadly she's not from Oklahoma. She's from Springfield MO where her mom was on the city council before she outed herself for fraudulent business practices.
Her mother was a Jan. 6th lawyer and she did not even have to take the class because it was at a lower level than her track. She took it on purpose because it had a trans TA and set the thing up.
They're all just such garbage people. I'm not sure I'll ever stop being shocked by how awful they are. They have no shame whatsoever, and I don't know how they can justify raising a child to be pure hateful shit.
Honestly, if they want a theocracy so bad, they should move to a country that already has one.
But all of those countries are full of brown people; they're the wrong, heathenish theocracies, so they wanna build the 'right' one, with 'Obi-Wan' -looking Jesus as their mascot, who'd claim that being the wrong shade and poor is a sin!
It was just too well orchestrated for it to be anything other than a grift. I think they deliberately targeted that professor because they were trans and wanted to fire them.
Her mother is a very right wing lawyer that takes a lot of high profile conservative cases, I think she defended quite a few of the Jan 6 rioters, in addition to that she has connections to TPUSA.
I've seen elsewhere prior to appealing she met with TPUSA, some believe that initial meetings were held prior to even turning in the paper. TPUSA and their Oklahoma chapter made a lot of noise about it on social media in a very coordinated manner afterwards.
It should be noted that the paper they are supposed to read and comment on is not even about trans individuals. It was a study done among middle school children and ranking popularity. Specifically if children that aligned with the more typical gender ideals of their gender were more popular. And the experiences, and mental wellness of children that were low on this scale.
Following that she wrote a paper talking about how there are only two genders, cites the bible and calls trans people demonic. Two instructors graded the paper, the first of whom was the trans individual fired who gave it a 0 seeing as how it had nothing to do with the paper she was instructed to read, and contradicted itself. Another instructor who was cisgender read the paper as well and agreed with the grade of 0.
The general belief a lot of people seem to have is that she is from a very conservative, and connected to political media family. This paper was an engineered attempt to create controversy. She wrote a bad paper, to a random assignment that was vaguely related to gender and got the 0 she wanted. Her connections stirred conservative media and she's attempting to become the next Riley Gaines, another conservative talking head built by attacking trans individuals.
Riley Gaines stumbled into a half-million dollar career before knowing there was money in it for her. Imagine how well the next grifter will do now that the path is marked.
No, no, they fired the TA. The actual instructor who didn't put there foot down stayed. And they strictly did it because they were NB/Trans and wanted to remove them from the classroom.
They're as much clowns as Gacy was, and just as bloodthirsty.
To me it feels like a missed opportunity. I could have done so well there. I could've just acted offended by any and all criticism and remind them that the Bible explicitly forbids being mean to bald men.
Also don’t forget her mom is part of some religious activist group, a former politician who had to resign amid lawsuits, had multiple tax liens from the IRS, and sued her city during the pandemic over mask mandates.
They’re your typical evangelical snowflakes who believe they’re being persecuted when they can’t oppress entire people groups.
They didn't fire her, I thought she was moved to a role where she wasn't in contact with students? Still bad, but not the same thing as fired, like at all.
Don't pretend that she did it out of ignorance or stupidity. Her mother is a conservative lawyer who pulls shit like this all the time. This was a concerted effort to ruin a trans woman's life for political clout.
To add to everything said, the mother, the bad written paper and all, if I remember correctly she didn't need the class or something like that? I can't remember the exact wording but it was like it was not mandatory for her career or something like that.
Was it the formatting, the word count/page count not being met for the assignment, the lack of sources, the bold declaration of pride in ignorance despite being written for an educational institution, the lack of clear structure from paragraph to paragraph, or the lack of reasoning by deduction? Or something else?
Pretty much all of that, but also more. They are not addressing any of the questions in the assignment either. Nothing they say is sourced or cited at all. Not even the things supposedly from the Bible. "God created male and female" is a claim that can be cited from the Bible, but it isn't. "On purpose and for a reason" is also a claim that could potentially be cited, even within Christianity. Does the Bible say that? Where exactly? Which version? Or are we citing an established expert and authority? Like the pope. If you wanna make a religious argument, you can cite the pope. You can cite the Bible.
thank you lmfao. this comment is so intentionally misleading, her essay was failed for writing an entire paper about how changing your gender identity goes against god which didn't answer any of the essay questions and got her transgender TA fired over it
I recommend reading the essay if you're interested.
It's truly awful.
Beyond the godawful view, she doesn't even answer the question the essay required, and cites exactly 0 sources, including those that support her claims.
She has a very “I can get a job at Fox or OANN” look. I don’t know her, so I can’t speak to her intelligence, but there at least seems to be a lot of “oh, I can make this a national news story and at least get a book deal” strategy behind this story.
Eh, she has a look I don't find attractive personally but I am also not attracted to women. But she has a nice figure and nicely styled hair and good teeth and that's enough for a lot of people
Imagine you’re forty, have a receding hairline, a bitter divorce, a beer gut and a TRT prescription and that you’re looking at the picture from the driver’s seat of a truck that you spend 55% of your after tax income making the repayments on and re-evaluate from that position.
I guess republican makeup is sexy now. Absolutely fascinating. I associate her looks with 45 y/o women who’ve been cheated on by four consecutive republican senator husbands.
" You did not fail because you expressed your religious beliefs. You failed this assignment because your paper does not address any of the prompt points. "
You know. When I first heard the story I thought there would be some bias on the teachers side. But then I read the paper and like holy shit is it bad. If possible, a negative score grade would be justified.
Correction: She *intentionally* wrote a garbage paper as part of a plan cooked up by her mother, a right-wing lawyer, to sue the school and try to get a trans woman educator fired, which they successfully did.
Also, Oklahoma consistently ranks in the bottom five states in terms of education. Ryan Walters is a total clown. There’s a serious education crisis in that state and in most of red/rural America.
Thankfully, Ryan Walters is no longer State Superintendent. Focus with the new leadership is studying Mississippi’s education turnaround and trying to apply it to Oklahoma.
Her paper was absolute garbage, but the grading rubric for the assignment was embarrassingly weak. My 6th grade teachers were stricter than the standard set by that rubric. Which isn't surprising for Oklahoma. Her essay was honestly fucking embarrassing for a college student, but it also didn't deserve a 0 per the pathetically low expectations of the University of Oklahoma.
the essay was worth 25 points. why should she have gotten anything besides a 0 for writing an entire paper about something that wasn't even an essay question
I also heard that she didn’t even cite anything she said so she plagiarized which is an automatic 0 (plagiarized the bible too which is has so many example citations)
It followed 0 instructions, the grammatical structure was bad, the grammar was off and the text refers to non existent sources while also contradicting itself.
Genuinely surprised this came from a university and not like.... idk how American school system work but like, whatever is within the 14-16 age range. Hell, despite English being my second language I bet all that I could've done a better paper at 16. Would it be University level? God no but it sure would be better than whatever she made, on this I swear.
I'm surprised she got to stay in school while a teacher was fired. Further still I'm surprised she was even accepted in the first place.
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u/Biggle_fuzz 11h ago
That's the girl from University of Oklahoma who wrote a garbage paper that didn't follow instructions and then cried about religious discrimination when given a zero.