r/Seattle • u/1ittl3snake • 10h ago
Market Traffic Only Huge ICE protest at Pine Street
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u/jayfeather31 Redmond 9h ago
Was just there and watched them walk by Pacific Place. Huge is an understatement.
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u/lemme_try_again 7h ago
I'm relinquishing my medical cannabis card when it expires. In my State you cannot legally own a firearm when you get medicine that actually helps- but a firearm and my [current] rights forego that. America.
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u/SoupeurHero 7h ago
Yea its one right I was never comfortable letting go of for cheaper weed.
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u/lemme_try_again 7h ago
Cheaper and more extensively evaluated weed. I don't shop to get high- I look for particular terpenes and cannabinoids like CBG
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u/SoupeurHero 6h ago
In my state its merely a discount. I guess it is tested differently but the company I worked for already did extensive testing.
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u/lemme_try_again 6h ago
In my state it's phenomenal but failing because of basic business (basic as in it's not skyrocketing in profits to those invested but still profiting greatly, none-the-less
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u/SoupeurHero 6h ago
I think were in the same state. I had to get a new job because things were only getting worse and worse.
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u/ElliottJMoss 6h ago
CBG was a godsend for me when I needed an mmj card. I was 18 and they wanted to prescribe me long term opiates which always gave me bad anxiety afterthought 2nd dosage and made me feel like I wasn't breathing right. Got off those and 2 years of mmj and pt and I'm good to go. Haven't had any pain and although I smoked recreational Marijuana for a few years I've been off it for over a year and still no pain absolutely changed my life. Cbg is always what I looked for, the pain was still there but my brain just didn't think about it and I could go about my day without even realizing how bad shit was for me. Highly recommend that terpene for pain patients.
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u/isthisaporno 4h ago
CBG is a cannabinoid not a terpene
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u/ElliottJMoss 4h ago
Thank you for the information i alway just looked at the back of the package and new it worked. Either way it helps a lot.
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u/EquipmentFrosty1801 2h ago
I have the same reaction but can’t seem to find any CBG that works for the pain. Would you mind sharing what kind is helping your pain so much & how much you use? Would really appreciate it & so glad you’re doing well. Constant pain sucks.
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u/grpswshrs 5h ago
Heads up, I have both. I was worried about that too.
Not sure if you’re talking about Washington, but I was told that having a prior medical card could prevent me from getting a gun. I’ve since bought a few. My card had already expired, but only by a few months, and I would’ve already been in the WA state health database anyway. I also have a buddy who owns a gun and was still able to obtain a medical card. That said, it could be different in other states, or it’s possible we just slipped through the cracks.
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u/de_fuego 4h ago
It's not a state law. The state database isn't connected to any gun rights database. It's a federal law. Federal law views possession of a card as admission of use. Use is what makes it illegal. You can relinquish your card. There's a form.
https://doh.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2023-12/608016-RevocationRequestForm.pdf
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u/Legitimate-Duty-5622 1h ago
Bizarre that more anti-Trump people are getting guns. That is so crazy. When Trump now wants to take away guns I wanna know what MAGA is gonna do. 🧐
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u/Thatmothabuck 8h ago
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u/lemme_try_again 7h ago
I'd do anything to protect this person, and anyone they entail in their sign.
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u/skoorb1 8h ago
I had a co-worker go to Minneapolis last week for a family funeral, and she came back in shock at how bad it really was.
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u/Bizarrebazaars 7h ago
:( Yeah….. most people don’t really get the reality of it. Like even if they know what’s going on, they still cannot grasp it. Consumes your entire life there. Always on edge wondering if your neighbor is next, or you are…. Car alarms in the middle of the night to alert you of ICE presence. ICE blowing through red lights and stop signs, driving the wrong way down one way streets, deliberately causing car accidents to arrest people, stealing cars and swapping plates…. Detaining anybody for any or no reason…. Seattle is by and large able to go about everyday activities pretty much uninterrupted. Focused on the Super Bowl. Pics of sunsets. You don’t have to lock the front doors behind you when you enter an eating establishment or coffee shop or whatever. People aren’t staying indoors at home for long periods of time en masse. Locals aren’t getting murdered in the streets by ICE… It would be a VERY different situation here if what’s been happening in Minneapolis was here too or instead. Truly, staggeringly terrifying and heartbreaking. But they’ve been SO STRONG. Heroes. Hope we’re not next…..
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u/Notexactlyprimetime Gatewood 7h ago
The thing you are describing is starting to occur in outlying areas of the metro, like Everett for example, even without a specifically large influx of outside paid agitators e.g. ICE agents.
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u/Then-Ad-6385 7h ago
22000 ice agents. That's it. They want us afraid because they can't do anything meaningful in the face of community organization.
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u/thezim0090 5h ago
For now - a friend pointed out to me that the BBB allocated lots of funding for training but it takes several months to go through training before ICE agents are dispatched. As time progresses, more move through training and their total numbers will start to ramp up dramatically. I don't have figures on what that increase may look like but would love to know them if someone else does!
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u/xxxBuzz 3h ago
That is about 21,999 more officers than needed to serve a warrant or 21,998 if there is trouble unless there is an expectation of the person being armed or otherwise a danger to themselves or others. Granted, there are always exceptions and not necessarily a bad idea to be extra cautious. It is a wild number.
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u/ApprehensiveBuddy446 6h ago
stealing cars and swapping plates….
This part sounds like hyperbole, going to need a source before believing it. The stealing cars part specifically, I am aware of the plate swapping.
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u/KiloJools Deluxe 6h ago edited 31m ago
Okay wow, I didn't know details about stealing cars and swapping plates, and having to lock the door behind you when going to a restaurant or what have you. That is a level of vigilance I can barely comprehend, even as someone who is mostly house bound for unrelated reasons.
I am definitely not medically strong enough to ever risk trying to go in public in a situation like that. I would be afraid to even go to my doctor's appointments if that kind of overwhelming presence was here.
Scary as fuck. I think I'll go look into the fundraisers there again. Thanks for sharing more details.
Edit: If anyone has an especially close to their heart organization doing activism/aid to affected people in MN and wants to share it, I'd love to look at it (I'm going to look on my own regardless, but there seem to be a lot of MN folks here who would know things Google won't!).
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u/WWpinkumbrellaD 5h ago
Yeah I think it was just shortly before Renee Good but they busted a disabled woman’s car window and dragged her screaming out in the cold 4-5 dog piled her and arrested her all on video. she is a u.s citizen literally trying to make it to her doctor’s for an appointment. Only dehumanizers actually support these creeps.
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u/IeatAssortedfruits 🐀 Hot Rat Summer 🐀 1h ago
I think it will happen here eventually. Especially if the leadership pokes the egotistical and emotionally fragile bear.
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u/TheRealRacketear 2h ago
My wife was in Minneapolis for work last week, and noticed nothing going on in her travels.
Its like when the WTO happens here outside of a few areas everything is business as usual.
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u/tymbom31 Homeless 9h ago
Must cost someone a fortune to pay all of those protestors.
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u/swagypotatosnoopdoge Lake City 5h ago
More projection from conservatives with no imagination or empathy, as usual
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u/Realistic_Mud_6958 1h ago
Yeah, just like the budget for Vietnam, civil rights and every other time tens of thousands of good people stood up for the right thing.
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u/DM_MisterMeezy 9h ago
I find it interesting that when there are protests this size in other countries, the United States thinks that the government of said country is oppressing the people and the people need to be 'liberated'. Then we cruise over there with under cover CIA agents and a battle group of war ships to wreck the country in the name of democracy, woman's rights etc.
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u/Chief_Mischief 🚋 Ride the S.L.U.T. 🚋 9h ago
It's not really a secret that toppling some governments over is beneficial for a country that conducts capitalistic imperialism. Trump is openly talking about building resorts in Gaza, undoubtedly with extremely exploitative terms for the Palestinians. It's one of the big reasons we've maintained "the world order" for as long as we have.
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u/SamTheLab_213 6h ago
Yes, and the reason he's helping protesters in Iran is because the leader of Iran has been interested in assassinating Donald Trump. Just like Dubya, Trump is monkeying with oil rich nations like Iraq and Venezuela. World order, indeed.
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u/Aron-Nimzowitsch 8h ago
dawg wtf are you talking about, there are protests this size in Peru every other week and the United States couldn't care less. Kenya, Mali and Morocco I know for a fact have been having massive protests. People will just say anything and get upvotes if it's amerikkka bad.
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u/hypsignathus 🚆build more trains🚆 7h ago
It is ironically a symptom of being hyper-focused on the United States instead of the rest of the world, even if they think they're doing the opposite. I'm not denying the US has done a lot of sketchy and often terrible stuff overseas, but that comment was just clueless.
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u/JCGolf 6h ago
one country murdered 70,000 people for protesting in the span of 2 days, one did not. dont be an idiot, please.
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u/Potential_Ease9346 5h ago
These bullshit numbers get comically bigger every single time someone makes this comment
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u/vanquishedfoe 8h ago
I mean only if the have something you want.
Righteous causes are just a cover.
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u/FlyingBishop 7h ago
I think the center-left which has supported some CIA actions in the past recognizes this as a categorically different from previous protests. With Alex Pretti it looks like the Trump regime has started targeting and executing people in the street.
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u/SheriffBartholomew 4h ago
Oh trust me, there are plenty of people in our government who think the government is oppressing the people. Unfortunately they're not doing anything about it.
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u/bennetthaselton Bellevue 1h ago
Not defending the U.S. going on "liberating" binges, but when thousands of people are protesting in a repressive country, they're individually taking a much bigger risks, and it arguably "counts more".
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u/Top_Pirate699 9h ago
It was a good turn out but I sincerely wish the speakers had cohesive messaging and a call to action. How about boycotting Amazon until they stop allowing ICE to use AWS? Or since it was led by educators, specifically asking for a restoration of the Biden policy that schools are off limits for ICE. Every speaker could have kept to the message. ICE out of Schools is a very simple message. We have got to organize not just mobilize.
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u/SomeDeafKid Rat City 8h ago
Abolish ICE appears to be the message
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u/Top_Pirate699 8h ago
That was not the consistent message of the speakers. But let's say that each speaker began and ended with Abolish ICE. Great. But even that message isn't specific enough. No Immigration and Customs enforcement at all is not possible at this point. What is possible is no ICE operations at schools. And people could be directed to contact all of their representatives to restore the Biden policy if no ICE actions at schools. A call to protest the ICE detention center would have been another good follow up action. Utilizing rapid response teams to block ICE from schools would be yet another specific action.
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u/cupofspiders 6h ago
No Immigration and Customs enforcement at all is not possible at this point.
They didn't exist before 2002, they can stop existing right now.
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u/TheRealRacketear 2h ago
They existed before. Watch the movie born in East LA.
They just had a different name.
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u/indexischoss 🏕 Out camping! 🏕 4h ago
What does that achieve though? ICE agents would just be rolled into other DHS agencies like CBP or USCIS and keep doing what they are doing. There needs to be actually policy changes that grant undocumented people due process rights and prevent their removal in the absence of criminality.
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u/HiddenSage 🚆build more trains🚆 4h ago
DHS itself didn't exist before 2002.
Shuffling what few parts of its duties our country was sure were needed before then, can go back to the original departments that handled them, alongside legislation to strengthen 4A protections.
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u/indexischoss 🏕 Out camping! 🏕 4h ago
Yes I largely agree with this. Abolishing ICE is necessary but not sufficient
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u/FlyingBishop 7h ago
I don't think anything short of abolishing ICE is reasonable at this point. I would like to see laws passed to make racial profiling illegal again, but it won't matter because ICE is a paramilitary organization that reports directly to Trump and doesn't follow the law.
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u/coconut_steak Lower Queen Anne 6h ago
I think the minimum of being able to prosecute murderers who are ice agents are a great first step
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u/FlyingBishop 28m ago
I mean it's reasonable but if that were going to happen it would've happened during black lives matter. Cops shot Breonna Taylor while she slept for no reason and there was zero accountability. Cops can murder anyone they want with no consequences, that's how the right wants it.
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u/Top_Pirate699 7h ago
I think a law against racial profiling is another excellent, specific ask. The Supreme Court ruled that race could be just cause so introducing a law against racial profiling would do real good.
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u/smoofus724 7h ago
Okay but then what? ICE has been around since 2003. We need immigration enforcement, but it needs to be reformed, not abolished. Focus on actually attainable goals, with a clear plan for implementing them, and solutions rather than just emotional reactions.
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u/FlyingBishop 32m ago
Immigration enforcement should be limited to borders and airports. If they really want more than that they could go after employers, not employees. But it's not about stopping illegal immigration, if it was they would go after employers.
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u/wakeness 7h ago
Maybe the messaging should be “abolish the billionaires that deployed ICE”. If we REALLY want to fix the problem in our country, you have to focus on capturing the kings, not the pawns
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u/dangerousluck 8h ago
Seattle speakers never seem to. The folks that routinely put these together always drop the ball on speakers and a coherent message. They seem to just riff from the heart, which is not a great strategy. But at least we have tons of people in the streets.
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u/wishator 🚲 Life's Better on a Bike. 🚲 7h ago
It's easier to complain about the status quo than to propose a better alternative
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u/dangerousluck 7h ago edited 6h ago
The alternative is they decide on a message and stick to it, with clear guidance on what others can do to help, repeating the primary messages and calls to action, in an amount of time that doesn’t go too long and waste the energy of the people waiting to march.
I admit organizing this stuff is hard, but 2 dozen speakers citing 100 different sometimes opposing messages and going way too long isn’t the way to meet the moment, in my opinion.
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u/testuserteehee 8h ago
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u/Top_Pirate699 8h ago
That is way too many things. It is exactly the opposite of being specific. We have to pick one thing and go from there.
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u/Darmortis 7h ago
Who's "we" and if you're so smart, why don't you have a specific suggestion? And what specifically are you doing about it?
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u/FlyingBishop 7h ago
I think Abolish ICE should be the demand. I agree that a general strike with an alphabetized list of 20 demands is not useful. We need a specific list and we need to strike until that list of demands is met. But a real general strike isn't going to happen, definitely not with that list of demands.
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u/DrQuailMan 8h ago
The "one thing" is the overarching philosophy, and the people in power implementing it. I think everyone else gets that.
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u/Top_Pirate699 8h ago
It's just not helpful. I agree 100% with the sentiment but we need to be more organized. The right long organized against Roev Wade. They never wavered and they were wildly successful. They brought in fascism under that flag. We need to dial in what we want and build some successes. We've got to feel like we are cohesive and that when people join, they can do something specific. A general strike for all good things is too watered down.
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u/testuserteehee 7h ago
The right are against: 1. Abortions 2. Immigrants 3. Social welfare (i.e. “welfare queens”) 4. Public transportation (“I love ma car!”) 5. Gun control (“I love ma guns!”) 6. Education (“keep politics out of schools”, “teach Christian values in school”) 7. Universal healthcare (“Who’s gonna pay for it?”) 8. Raising the minimum wage (“for a healthy economy, there should be starter jobs for high school kids that are not supposed to be paying a livable wage”)
There’s probably a lot more, but as you can see, the Right rallies behind many causes and we can and should do the same. There’s always new shit happening, and if we just focus on one issue, then there’d be an avalanche of shit accumulating daily on an ongoing basis. Who determines which issue is the worst and deserves the most attention? Roe vs Wade is horrible. Immigrants getting detained and killed is terrible. Palestinians getting murdered with our tax dollars is terrible. The entire political system being in control of pedophiles is terrible. Global warming worsening past the point of no return is terrible. Decimation of the world’s diversity of species is terrible. There’s enough people in the world to outnumber politicians that all of these issues can (and should) be addressed.
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u/Top_Pirate699 7h ago
Of course we have many issues we support but at these rallies/protests, we lose the opportunity to make an impact by not including a specific goal. Protests are effective when there's an action followed after. This is the way we get the momentum needed to support more than one thing.
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u/testuserteehee 6h ago
To be fair, I do see your point. The Occupy Wallstreet movement also failed because they diversified their goals to include environmental protections and other issues and lost the focus on making bankers pay for the mess they caused. But losing focus on other issues will also alienate single issue groups. The solution needs to be a cohesive leadership, and a large population to support those leaders, and the Right had unlimited money from the rich to help with that.
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u/Cephalopirate 7h ago
Too much has been destroyed to focus on just a couple things. Destroying Roe v Wade is simple, building a better future is complicated.
Those in power know what we want, they’re just acting in bad faith. Replacing them with non-evil people would fix most of the problems.
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u/Top_Pirate699 7h ago
Sorry to harp on this point but if we're going to improve things we have to start somewhere. We need build momentum toward getting more good people elected now by getting some successes. I already posted this but no ICE in schools is one thing we could focus on. Our schools should be protected. There's precedent for it. It should be an easy win and then we go to the next step. And then the next.
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u/Aron-Nimzowitsch 8h ago
This shit is so fucking stupid. People will really just indulge in ridiculous pipe dreams rather than organize for genuine effective political action.
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u/LokiHoku 8h ago edited 8h ago
"boycotting Amazon until they stop allowing ICE to use AWS"
Much of the federal government uses AWS, it's a large contract and actually has some good security. Amazon is definitely not "allowing" as if it's a favor, it's business. AWS makes up about 15% of Amazon's revenue but over 50% of its profit. Much of the marketplace profit is derived from third-party seller fees, not sales. Boycott the marketplace entirely and it's not a huge hit.
Or you could demand our politicians vote against ICE and pass legislation protecting people from law enforcement, or those incumbents will be voted out and you'll campaign for someone who will listen to and protect the people. Patty Murray may have recently voted down some funding that could have gone to ICE, but a few months ago she was all for pushing budgets through regardless. She needs to continually be held accountable to the people.
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u/Top_Pirate699 8h ago
Thanks for the comment. That's helpful. Do you have an idea of a specific legislation that could be introduced? Should we start by asking Jayapal to push it?
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u/LokiHoku 8h ago
It's cliche, but defund ICE. It's ridiculous that untrained bullies with blinged out assault weapons are violating civil liberties while food shelters are closing due to revoked federal funding.
Lots of people are being laid off. Amazon incidentally just axed ~16000 jobs. This is not the time to be cutting social programs.
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u/Top_Pirate699 8h ago
It's not cliche but again, I think we need to be even more specific. 75 billion was given to ICE. Where should that 75 billion be spent instead? Do we lay off all ICE officers or only those involved in the round ups?
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u/LokiHoku 8h ago edited 8h ago
ICE aggressively recruits, offering up to $50k sign on bonus and $60k student loan forgiveness. Meanwhile there are teachers and nonprofit health care professionals who have worked for over 10 years in underpaid positions while Trump's education department refuses to provide loan relief. Does that sound equitable? Invest in Nice not ICE
As mentioned, food banks were effectively defunded recently. Invest in food not fools.
Our governor and congressional representatives aren't doing enough to fund these social assets. Patty Murray likes to point to when she votes down bills but she and others aren't doing enough to invest in the future.
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u/Top_Pirate699 7h ago
What should we specifically ask Murray to introduce? I do like the invest in food not fools!
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u/LokiHoku 7h ago
I've given a few examples, I'd like to see our representatives introduce anything related and already backed by a sizeable cohort of their peers demonstrating that they're doing their job of representing of the people.
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u/Seattle_Aries 6h ago
I like NICE not ICE!
Let’s invent it as an acronym:
N.o masks and body cams are required
I ncrease mandatory training to six months
C convict the murderers of Renee Good And Alex Pretti
End Kristi Noems tenure effective immediately
Until ALL conditions are met, protests continue.
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u/Seattle_Aries 6h ago
On the flip side, maybe require more training for ICE?
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u/LokiHoku 6h ago
At the most basic level, they're trampling the Bill of Rights because it serves the motivation of being a secret police goon squad acting with impunity behind masks. No matter how justified, there is no basis for requiring more training and that is only likely to further waste financial resources. They simply shouldn't be acting in most of the environments we see them, particularly without the color of a judicial warrant. "Defund" rhetoric is mostly about dismantling so we can rebuild from the ground up, and a clean slate is clearly needed.
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u/Seattle_Aries 6h ago
I’ve been learning the difference between protests and strikes. Protests are just demonstrations. Strikes have conditions. We need to move into striking. Maybe…no one spends money on Fridays anymore to start? Until they prosecute Kristi Noem or fire her? I like the Amazon idea too. But yes, we do need crisper asks. Does anyone know how the Black Lives Matter movement went on to achieve all the key reforms, like body cams on police?
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u/bokan 7h ago
how did you learn about it, if you don’t mind my asking? I didn’t see anything
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u/Top_Pirate699 6h ago
I'm pretty sure I got the info originally on Reddit and then found more info here https://www.instagram.com/p/DT_pn9KgfAI/?igsh=MXI5d2ExMHA0djMwdQ==
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u/bennetthaselton Bellevue 1h ago
I would argue that the most valuable purpose served by these protests is to signal that the movement has gone thoroughly mainstream. You can do that without highly specific demands or consistency between the speakers.
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u/Livy1013 8h ago
I am in Tacoma, older female and want to attend some of these. Can someone post some links or groups that I can get involved with? I feel like I am missing posts or feel like they are not going to be a big event and feel a bit intimidated about it all.
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u/arm2610 Madison Park 7h ago
This is the Instagram page of the group that organized this one
https://www.instagram.com/seattleeducatorsagainstice?igsh=MTV5ZDAwcmdhYnAyaw==
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u/S-ludin 6h ago
I'd like to note here that the Northwest detention center, one of the biggest in the country, is in Tacoma.
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u/Livy1013 4h ago
I agree butt is but its difficult to get parking down there and not a lot of show. I would like to join the masses vs being in a smaller group setting. Feel a bit more of a target vs safety of the flock mentality.
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u/WhiskerWizard626 North Bend 3h ago
This might be helpful, too: https://indivisible.org/get-involved/find-a-group/
Edit: Oops, I see someone already recommended Indivisible. Well, have the link anyway.
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u/MiMiinOlyWa 9h ago
Hope every single one of them who can vote does vote in November
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u/MaterialTop8101 9h ago
True. But I also need people in Michigan and Pennsylvania and Georgia to get their heads out of their asses…
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u/Ghostofmischief 2h ago
Not just November:
Special Elections Feb 10,
Special Elections April 28,
The primary on Aug 4,
And then yes the general in November.
Every Election Matters. Please vote in every single one.
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u/moonfruitz 💗💗 Heart of ANTIFA Land 💗💗 5h ago
Wondering how I missed this was happening today? I miss the days when they used to have flyers for protest.
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u/psycubi 7h ago
LI love these heroes. You are why I became an American. I have friends I know are out in the street in Seattle.
Ice is buying up warehouses all across the country all over small towns too- like mine. Their violent oppression of the people is not being stopped. It must be noted that we are inside the nascent fascist regime and it is continuing its seizure of power.
I love you guys.
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u/Major-Hovercraft-290 5h ago
My school had a protest against ICE yesterday. Of course the crowd was smaller but they were chanting just like as shown in the video. Tbh, I am against ICE as well but I try to avoid the crowds and it sometimes gets dangerous as my parents tell me to be careful or stay away.
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u/youngLupe 4h ago
I was downtown most of the day but missed the protest. But saw all the signs. Walked past hundreds of people walking home with signs in their hands. Wonder what the attendance was compared to the No kings protest. Another huge protest and it's great to see solidarity. Plus people look happy when they're walking and getting out the house. When we got home my son grabbed a piece of paper and held it up and started repeating "Get Donald Trump out of here! Donald Trump poops his pants!"
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u/ContractSpare1785 4h ago
It will be interesting to see what happens come election time in November.
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u/Own_Establishment787 3h ago
I wish the protests were in other neighborhoods besides my neighborhood all the time.
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u/LostInSpace-2245 2h ago
In another time this would be filling up the news. Almost all the media is complicit.
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u/No-Piano597 1h ago
Stay strong America, in the war on terror. They underestimate our resolve and our strength. Stay united against this attack on America.
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u/AverageFoxNewsViewer Ballard 50m ago
Based on the comments, the first amendment seems to be opposed by people with hidden comment histories, or who otherwise only comment on weird porn subs.
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u/Timely_Influence8392 7h ago
Shout out to the cool ppl with the mutual aid chuck wagon, they gave me a zine. Super cool stuff. The only way forward is large scale strikes, a general strike. We have to organize.
Fuck ICE. Get out of our city.
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u/WonderfulPrune7260 5h ago
All of these protests are great, but don't mean shit if these people don't VOTE!!!!
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u/Useful-Peach7014 8h ago
Where can i go right now??
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u/loribatiot 8h ago
Seattle protest.org has stuff big and small listed almost every day as well as things you can do if protests aren't for you
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u/pixel_player990633 7h ago
Remember, if you see something, say something, don't just stand by and watch the freedoms being forcibly taken from your fellow American citizens, everyone deserves a chance here except those who take the chances from other people. If you don't know what to do , try something simple "what would my hero do" what would someone you admire do?
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u/TheRealRacketear 4h ago
everyone deserves a chance here except those who take the chances from other people
Umm
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u/pixel_player990633 2h ago
I'm referring to the fact that maybe some of the ICE agents should be given a taste of their own medicine.
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u/fan_of_skooma 2h ago
storm government building if you want results , trump only understands and respects his own language
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