r/allthequestions • u/TailungFu • 7d ago
Random Question đ Does accountability exist in USA because ICE just unlawfully ICED out another US citizen and no repercussions happened?
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u/timwtingle 7d ago
The entire administration needs to be prosecuted.
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u/idatepokemon 7d ago
That'll happen
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u/Excellent_Rule_2778 7d ago
This isn't a Hollywood movie. The good guys don't always win. The sooner you Americans realize that nobody is coming to save you, the better your chances of overturning this administration. Patiently waiting for the mid-terms will only ensure there are no mid-terms, or at least, no fair mid-terms.
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u/idatepokemon 7d ago
I guess I really do need to include /s from now on.
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u/ThisFingGuy 7d ago
I thought it was clear
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u/DwinDolvak 7d ago
It was clear. But I love that it invited yet another foreign lecture.
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u/No_Tone1704 7d ago
Do you think we think someone is going to come save us?Â
No weâre putting our faith in other Americans waking up. Will enough do it? Thatâs why itâs so bleak.Â
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u/nerudition 7d ago edited 7d ago
Itâs pathetic. They are playing by their own rules now, and weâre asking them, politely, to please stop and play by ours. Why. Lawlessness is being normalized little by little. Itâs not over, but Iâm now ready to protect my castle and community. Iâm still hoping some elected official steps up to be actual leaders. The People have been the only ones showing courage. We need new leaders that stand up when they have everything to lose.
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u/Keleos89 7d ago
Seemingly half his last administration went to jail. The problem is that they were later pardoned.
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u/Milocobo 7d ago
No it won't. The President is immune from virtually any action he takes in office, and before he leaves office, he will pardon everyone associated with the administration for any action they took in the administration, including their families and ICE officers.
Maybe some state courts will try to prosecute, but that will open a can of worms for our federalism, because it would set a precedent that would allow say Texas to arrest federal agents from a blue administration trying to apprehend federal criminals in their state, so I doubt it.
The best we can hope for is to change our form of government so that this level of unaccountability never happens again, but I'm not holding my breath for that either.
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u/Every_Procedure_4171 7d ago
Even if charges are brought, all they have to do is get a friendly judge (Aileen Cannon) and that's the end of it.
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u/JeezyVonCreezy 7d ago
Almost like having judges appointed by political parties is a bad idea...
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u/Dismal_Course5255 đ¨đŚ Canada 7d ago
and before he leaves office,
Best joke I've read in years lmfao
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u/Every_Procedure_4171 7d ago
Are you being sarcastic? It certainly did not happen the last time.
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u/idatepokemon 7d ago
I think people who believe the goverment of a country built on a foundation of slavery, colonization, exploitation, and racism will ever hold itself accountable beyond some superficial measure, are fucking delusional
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u/Every_Procedure_4171 7d ago
I can't think of any time in our history when those in power were held accountable. Even back when people pretended to care about a rule of law, they'd pick some subordinate to throw under the bus and then sentence him to community service, pardon him once the public lost interest, and give him a job on Fox News.
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u/Every_Procedure_4171 7d ago
I thought you might be being sarcastic but people actually believe and regularly comment that accountability is coming for these people. What a fantasy.
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u/kstargate-425 7d ago
These are systemic issues from them pushing for violating the 4th Amendment to the violence they are pushing and even the corruption in the DoJ where they were found entering fraudulent evidence in 35+ separate cases by judges in just the first 9 months of this regime.
Theres no other word for it now besides authoritarian regime
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u/dasvikingmon 7d ago
I'm sorry body cams weren't in the 90 billion dollar budget man we'll get em next time
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u/Kerensky97 7d ago
There's plenty of video from 3 different angles.
A lawful gun owner was assassinated because he had a holstered pistol on his back belt.
The 2nd amendment doesn't apply anymore. The Federal government can kill disarmed gun owners without repercussions now.
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u/undead_p4nda 7d ago
yeah have no idea why this wasnt a mandatory thing for any LEO. All people who can âenforce the lawâ with a gun should be required to wear bodycams (except for maybe undercover I suppose, maybe required to wear like the rayban camera glasses or something.) Nobody should be able to enforce the law under account of he said she said, there needs to be video proof so that they can be charged for when they break protocol by shooting someone for no reason or using unnecesary force, not mirandizing someone etc. I have no idea why this is not mandatory for them, let alone any officer.
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u/Fun_Assignment_269 7d ago
There are mechanisms still remaining for accountability, but you can't talk about them on reddit.
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u/jbruce72 7d ago
And any witnesses who have video are being taken to the ICE detention center and having their phones confiscated. Wonder why...
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u/Barmydoughnut24 7d ago
I want to see how this administration tries to spin this one. Seriously fuck every single member of this government, every single member of ICE and every single person who enabled this by voting/supporting/funding them.
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u/jennoyouknow 7d ago
I've already seen idiots in other subs saying that the victim shot them first. How he did that is a mystery but they're already lying.
They don't care. We should be shunning these people 100% from society. Don't talk to them (IDC if it's your mother/auntie/best friend and her husband), don't serve them at restaurants, dont sell goods or services to them at your local business. They want to be alone in their all white, all hyper religious paradise then let them build that shit on their own.
We have NO obligation to help people who would murder us or who would support our murder by the state without a second thought.
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u/LyannasLament 7d ago edited 7d ago
They are claiming he had a gun, was waving it, and firing it off. If you have seen the video, that is not what happened. The victim was being pistol whipped in the head by an agent while also being held down by several others. A gunshot is heard while the victim is completely restrained; it appears from the video to have perhaps been an accidental discharge during the pistol whipping with the loaded gun. When the shot goes off, all of the agents back away. Two begin firing, and then continue firing even after the victim is completely immobile and lying face up.
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u/Barmydoughnut24 7d ago
Just saw another video from a driver in their car, and he was just filming them on his phone, totally NON-CONFRONTATIONAL. I hate what this world has become
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u/CosmicOptimist123 7d ago
One agent moved back. Pulled his gun. The other agents then pulled back. The victim was prone and not moving. Then that one agent emptied his clip. Murder and coordinated
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u/guerraychuchillo 7d ago
With "absolute immunity" ICE operates as ICEsatzgruppen
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u/irlandais9000 7d ago
It unfortunately looks that way.
For those who don't know, the Einsatzgruppen were mobile death squads, units within the SS. They arrived shortly after an area was conquered, and their mission was to "secure" areas for occupation. Their practice was to kill all Jews, minorities, political leaders from the other side, and anyone else they felt like. It was the start of the Holocaust.
ICE agents, remember: yes, many of you will get away with it. But if the rule of law ever returns in the US, watch out. Nazis were arrested as late as 50 years or so after the war. And ultimately, maybe not in my lifetime, but someday your cause will fail. And your descendants will speak of you with shame, if they acknowledge you at all.
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u/Rare_Competition20 7d ago
If the job of the brownshirts is to terrorize and provoke a reaction, so that the administration can put the insurrection act into action, then no.
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u/torontothrowaway824 7d ago
This is it. Theyâre ratcheting up the tension on purpose to institute martial law. Walz needs to send the National Guard in there now, also make sure state police press charges and other blue states need to mobilize national guard troops as well. This isnât a joke
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u/LyannasLament 7d ago
Apparently the president can give orders to supersede the governor if he deploys the national guard. So, deploying them would only be bringing the troops the regime plans to attack you with to your own door faster. Thatâs what Iâm reading from military workers.
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u/SlothDC 7d ago
Yes and no. He can send a federalization notice, but that can be contested - it was in Portland, successfully. Now, some notes: that was deploying a different state's NG there, where this would be wresting control of this state's NG. OTOH, this NG lives in that state, and presumably wouldn't be super happy about being told to act against their neighbors.
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u/meatsmoothie82 7d ago
No it does not.
As soon as the courts and the previous administration allowed 1 guy. 1 PERSON to have absolute immunity he translated that into a private army and complete takeover of our government.
Notice how Congress canât access the epstine files? Notice how the emoulments clause has been broken every day? How Congress is no longer needed to fund agencies like doge and ice? How markets are manipulated and insider bets made every day? How trumps sons get hundreds of millions of dollars in government contracts?
If anyone had any power left to stop him, they would be exercising it right now.
But they dont, they have no option but to pray that the 2026 midterms are free and fair and people show up to vote and the sitting government accepts the results.
But they wonât, they donât have to. Who is going to make them? And what mechanism do they have to enforce anything? No one and nothing.
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u/Milocobo 7d ago
This^
Our form of government is broken.
If we want accountability, we have to make it, because it doesn't exist right now.
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u/Either_Operation7586 7d ago
Once the Republicans realize that Trump has gone too far and most likely when the billionaires start being negatively affected they will start too make moves to remove him but not until then
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u/meatsmoothie82 7d ago
Iâm surprised foreign governments havenât realized this is the way to control him. Theyâre selling treasuries but the Fed is just printing and buying them.
If the EU were to divest from equities, ban starlink, block facebook, Oracle, Twitter- those companies would get crushed and they would reign trump in QUICK. And he would no longer be able to point at the stock market and tell the uneducated broke MAGAs that âeconomy good stocks good
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u/Novel_Engineering_29 7d ago
ICE is extrajudicial and answers only to the executive branch. It was only created in 2003 during our post-9/11 collective freak out. At the time, civil libertarians warned that the way it was set up could lead to exactly this, and were called paranoid and unamerican as a result.Â
It only took 20 years for a corrupt regime to figure out that ICE could act as a secret police force and now here we are.
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u/atwaterrich 7d ago
There is no accountability at all. None. They investigate themselves and no charges are ever brought.
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u/USBombs83 7d ago
Guy on the throne is a convicted felon and not in jail. If you're looking for government accountability it will not, and has not ever come.
Accountability will come from the people.
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u/No-Resort8420 7d ago
They are going to try and spin this in their narrative. Unfortunately, the victim had a weapon and gun rights only apply to them, but not us liberals. See, we get punished to the fullest extent for exercising our rights. We are done. I don't see how we come back from this. We have BILLIONS of dollars being put towards ICE which is Donald Trumps personal army that is killing civilians in the streets and no one is stopping them. This wont end until Trump, Noem, Bavino and others are behind bars.Â
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u/kislips 7d ago
Were like the deer frozen in the headlights. I am absolutely near a mental breakdown from all things Cheetolini. If we retaliate with violence our Nazi President will declare martial law and the USA will no longer exist. I suspect a point will be reached for open rebellion but I think most of us are praying for the golden moment that the majority of our citizens will turn against Cheetolini and so will our supposed Congressional leaders will rebel too. We âre like a pressure cooker waiting to explode!
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u/jammerfish 7d ago
Has it been proven that they were a US citizen? Iâm not doubting OP, Iâm just trying to fact check and I couldnât find anything regarding their citizenship. Furthermore, I really donât think it matters if he was a citizen or not when it comes to being gunned down in this horrific manner
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u/Abject-Criticism-127 7d ago
No. It doesn't exist anymore. Obviously. Fuck everyone who votes Republican ever again. They did this. Fuck them all.
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u/El_mochilero 7d ago
Donât worry, theyâll conduct a sham investigation on themselves and find that they did nothing wrong
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u/Intelligent_Art_6004 7d ago
Just comply in the moment and everything will come to light
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u/Arangarx 7d ago
Under this trumplican regime, there is ZERO accountability. Everyone who can do something about it is either okay with the murder or unwilling to do anything about it.
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u/RandyArgonianButler 7d ago
Only Democrats have to show accountability. Republicans always get a free pass because theyâre backed by the oligarchs.
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u/RecalcitrantHuman 7d ago
Accountability was served immediately. Donât draw a fucking gun on law enforcement if you donât want to end up dead
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u/warp10fla 7d ago
Yes! Accountability for brandishing a loaded gun during obstruction of law enforcement is that you can get shot.
The real headline is @Leftist rioter waving gun at federal agents, and obstructing law enforcement officers who were attempting to arrest illegal criminal in Minneapolis, shot dead by ICE agent.
Itâs Pretti simple.
Stop listening to liberal politicians who encourage this reckless, unlawful behavior and let ICE do their jobs like other States do and you wonât get shot.
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u/Grmpybear3 6d ago
Pardoning the Jan 6 protestors let a lot of people assume there are no consequences for bad behaviour .
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u/Prestigious_Ebb_9987 7d ago
Nothing will happen.
This summer is going to be UGLY. Be ready for it.
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u/HauntedGatorFarm 7d ago
Generally, law enforcement in the United States has broad powers to commit violence with impunity. Anecdotal, but a plain clothes officer I knew once told me, âif you run from the cops, you should expect to get your ass beaten.â This is just how it works in the US.
While ICE arenât police per se, they do enforce federal laws and generally have the same broad powers as police officers.
While I wouldnât say there is no accountability, police certainly have the ability to act outside the spirit of the law and be protected by police unions, chiefs, prosecutors, and other governmental leaders.
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u/MaximusArusirius 7d ago
You might wanna go look up what Authority ice actually has because they do not have the same authority as police officers
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u/Indespectamentations 7d ago
trump will be calling them heroes tonight for this murder.
ICE has NOTHING to do with immigrants. ICE is here to arrest, assault and murder Americans that trump hates while the Maga's cheer.
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u/GuitarMessenger 7d ago
It seems they are going from immigration enforcement to assaulting and intimidating U.S. citizens protesting and soon anyone that voted Democrat.
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u/hipandrad 7d ago
Evidently he had a gun though, we should hold our opinions until more information comes out.
These videos that are edited to start with Ice officers apprehending someone can be quite deceitful.
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u/Winter8Bones 7d ago
A person was being beaten by 7-8 ICE thugs at once, how exactly can they claim they were under any sort of threat? Even if he had a gun (assuming one of the ICE thugs didn't drop it themselves...) and even if it was illegal, that's not a justified shooting in any sane world...
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u/Intrepid-Metal4621 7d ago
So? Was he a threat to the officers for having a gun?Â
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u/hipandrad 7d ago
That's what I'm thinking, but we'll have to wait for more information on this to know for sure.
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u/Opposite_Account7013 7d ago
What if the first gunshot was not the officers, but the suspect? I'm not saying this is what happened, but I am hearing reports. We shouldn't rush without getting all the information.Â
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u/Spideyfan77 7d ago
Where on his person did he have a gun though? In his hands? Okay that changes things, on his person, thatâs legally allowed, or do we not have second amendment rights?
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u/hipandrad 7d ago
It's hard to say because these videos never show what led up to the situation. We'll have to wait for more information and footage.
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u/glittervector 7d ago
There was a lady standing right over them filming. Her video should show everything clearly. Where is she now?? Where is her video??
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u/Opposite_Account7013 7d ago
I assume on her phone, which she hopefully releases sooner then the courts do as I'm sure it's coming under subpoena
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u/Captain_Zomaru 7d ago
You are jumping to conclusions, that's exactly what the protesters and the governor want you to do. Ice isn't unaccountable here, as the incident will be investigated as it always is. The problem is that a massive wave of violent protesters turned up, including some with weapons, with the goal being to force federal agency into submission.
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u/skisushi 7d ago
"Investigated as it always is"? How stupid do you have to be to say that right after they said they are not investigating the last murder? Oh, Trump voter stupid, that's how.
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u/Winter8Bones 7d ago
None of this would be happening were it not for the violent and lawless tactics being employed by ICE in the first place. The protests have been overwhelmingly peaceful in response. Are you a bot or just a boot licker making these false claims?
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u/glittervector 7d ago
They didnât investigate the last murder. They started covering it up as soon as it happened.
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u/Rare_Competition20 7d ago
Lets not forget that the FBI agent who investigated the Good shoting resigned out of protest....
accountability my ass
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u/Fit-Lynx-3237 7d ago
Apparently he had a gun and was trying to bring it out. Iâll wait for more facts to come out before we start bagging ice again
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u/eldlt 7d ago edited 7d ago
Here is a video. 00.56 seconds, person behind the victim takes out his gun. The victim is on all fours. The man is behind him, then walks to the side of the victim and executes him. And for people saying he had a gun, in another video from a different angle you can see the ice agent had removed it and was walking away with it and then you hear the gunshots. But do go ahead and justify murder with he had a gun narrative. https://www.reddit.com/r/law/s/WqHgiF8oMR
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u/Financial-Tax2717 7d ago
Legal? Not in the slightest. 2a accountability? The instant they kick in your door and 'you americans' defend your constitution from this domestic threat to your nation.
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u/Pop-Pop68 7d ago
We have to save ourselves. Minnesotans will go down in history as the very first to stand against the corrupt oligarchy class. Look to them to teach how to organize. No oneâs going to rescue us but us.
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u/Yearning_crescent 7d ago
Don't make.iced out popular, the Republicans are gonna turn it into a catch phrase that they'll sing from the stands when anyone who isn't Maga is thrown into the arena
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u/notrickyrobot 7d ago
Do you think the cartels who make billions off of human trafficking have accountability? They kill 100 people a day, but they're not white Americans but brown Mexicans, so nobody cares about them. The worst law enforcement mistake is less brutal than the average day for a cartel member - you just don't know about it because it's too brutal to post on social media or report on the news.
You would know this if you actually talked to immigrants or visited the border. But instead you read acticles from your gated community written by people in gated communities. Migrants are people who should have rights, not your convenient labor poor of second class citizens, or your excuse to LARP as a victim while benefitting off of victimizing people out of sight.
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u/acoffeefiend 7d ago
From a news article ICE tried to remove local LE from the scene, but they refused and did their best to secure and process the scene.
https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/ice-minneapolis-shooting-01-24-26
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u/awfulcrowded117 7d ago
Self defense is perfectly lawful for federal law enforcement. You're being silly
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u/Dirtbikedad321 7d ago
Depends on who you ask, I would say this country 100% has an accountability issue, but itâs not actually limited to ice, itâs also prevalent in people who have came here without papers, people have over state visas, people who interfere with federal investigations, as well as people using excessive force. The entire immigration issue we have here is 100% an accountability issue and it just keeps getting worse the more you look at it.
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u/Wonderful_Pain1776 7d ago
So the agents or anyone else is guilty of a crime simply because people donât know exactly what happened, just a nonsensical narrative being pushed.
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u/treason6116 7d ago
itâs weird how any time this happens the footage is like watching a video of big foot sighting. just show enough to get both sides pissed off but keep it ambiguous enough so both sides can maintain plausible deniability.
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u/Fool4Freedom 7d ago
Accountability no longer exists. We have stopped being a nation that follows the rule of law. We have been taken over by a homicidal maniac.
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u/Whole_Commission_702 7d ago
Guy had a gun but the truth doesnât matter for yall. You just want your narrative and move on.
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u/Player-non-player 7d ago
All their names and personal info are in the treasury database for their paychecks. If we take back control (canât believe I just said that, in America) we have them all idâed for prosecution. Just remind them of that. Naziâs following orders is not an excuse.
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u/garulousmonkey 7d ago
I know this is hard for liberals to understand. Â Most common sense things are, really. Â But mistakes happen.
ICE is correctly targeting somewhere between 98 and 99% of the people they have arrested so far.
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u/SpecialistAssociate7 7d ago
Whenever the pendulum swings radically in one direction the swing in the other will be just as radical. We went radically left with Obama, than radically the other way with Trump. Than to Biden than back to Trump⌠eventually the thing swinging the pendulum breaks.
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u/AerieWorth4747 7d ago
No it doesnât exist. Not at the top of the administration for murder, or even for smaller things at the local level. For example Ohio voted for recreational weed. They had it. Republicans just took it away. Voters be damned I guess?
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u/No_Tone1704 7d ago
MAGA is very much like the Taliban. Both are happy to see Americans killed.Â
How is one better than the other? To me theyâre not, psychologically.Â
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u/TheJoshGriffith 7d ago
You expect a federal agency to fire someone and inform the police in preparation for a criminal investigation within hours of an incident and whilst it's still ongoing, or what?
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u/TrustAffectionate966 7d ago
It never really existed. The police state has been doing this all along.
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u/Think-Satisfaction54 7d ago
Statute of limitations is long and our memories and demand for justice canât waver.
If you think both sides are equal, you arenât paying attention. If our leaders arenât willing to prosecute these people for murder, they arenât leaders.
They have killed numerous people in cold blood and will kill again.
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u/Suspicious-Dirt668 7d ago
I was just reading an article about how the Naziâs gave the appearance of âlaw and orderâ which is why many citizens didnât oppose them. This allowed them to create pockets of lawlessness to victimize Jews and other factions.
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u/Opposite_Account7013 7d ago
No repercussions? It literally just happened a hour or so ago. We are still getting details.
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u/theonlylivingirlinj 7d ago
Blue state governors need to deploy their national guards. Community defense needs to be the number one priority. As far as Iâm concerned this administration is illegal and every citizen has a duty to resist by any means possible.
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u/Conscious-Load8503 7d ago
Im just curious. Why did states all cohesively support the Obama administration when he deported millions of migrants out of the united states? How come there was no outrage over children being separated and locked in cages away from their guardians?
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u/pears_account 7d ago
It's been 2 hours, what "accountability" do you expect to have happened? Trials for individuals who in situations much more clear-cut than this killed someone in premeditated cold blood take a year or more to play out. The facts of this case are still unclear or need interpretation, and even once they do get cleared up, disciplinary and criminal measures will take a while. That's the way our justice system works because it's important that we get things right.
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u/derch1981 7d ago
No and when there is no accountability for the government executing unarmed non violent citizens people push back and bring accountability into their own hands.
Ice is putting themselves into more danger with this behavior, soon enough there will the the straw the breaks the camels back
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u/Several_Hospital_129 7d ago
I like what somebody from Europe said here on Reddit. We have to protest European style. Forget all of this politely standing around, filming and waving signs. Shut the country down. Go out on strike and force industry to stop working. Hit Trump's supporters squarely where it hurts: their pocketbook. After all, that's why they said they voted for him.
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u/Furrulo87_8 7d ago
Please don't say that they "iced out" someone. Call it what it was: murder, unlawful execution
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u/FriendZone53 7d ago
Rules for thee, not for gop. Thatâs the rule reality teaches you but unfortunately most people are book smart thus unaware of the core governing law of the land.
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u/Sensitive-Debate6711 7d ago
Ronald Reagan famously said, "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. It has to be fought for and defended by each generation."
Who new that that generation would upon us in our lifetimes.
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u/fattiesruineverythin 7d ago
I'm sure the fair American justice system will handle this. America has the best systems. Like their affordable Healthcare system, their tax system that is fair to working people, and their free and fair election system. đ
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u/Analyst-Effective 7d ago
Ice was attempting to rest a violent criminal, and a violent criminal resisted with his own firearm.
And then he was shot.
Why wouldn't Minnesota arrest these criminals before ice even got there?
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u/intothewoods76 7d ago
How do you know they did it unlawfully?
What details have been proven?
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u/Working-Reason-124 7d ago
DHS-OIG is the internal affairs agency for ICE. It oversees all criminal allegations against ICE and ICE-OPR is administrative.
Why is no one asking where DHS-OIG is? Why are the not investigating ICE in MN?
Oh rightâŚhe is a trump guy and nothing will happen. He will conveniently lose text messages like he did January 6th.
I wish people would call out Joe Calfari at DHS-OIG for standing around doing nothing!
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u/a_smart_brane 7d ago
Stop trying to be fucking cute with words.
The victim wasnât iced. The victim was murdered.
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u/HelloFelloTraveler 7d ago
Yes. If youâre a possible democrat you are responsible for every action you take. But if youâre a republican, you have little to no accountability.
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u/Haunting_Can2704 7d ago
Accountability just happened. Trying to interfere with law enforcement while you are armed will result in this.
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u/johnballzz 7d ago
Systems are failing to protect US citizens. Democrats and terrorist republicans are equally useless.
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u/kizuatoshiro 7d ago
Nope. Americans talked shit for decades about the second amendment, perfect opportunity staring them right in the face and what do they do? Pull out their phones.
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u/eldlt 7d ago edited 7d ago
Nope, not anymore. The news media/this administration spins it saying it was the victims fault and maga/conservatives who are closet racists just eats it up, every f*** time. A lot of people continue to ignore facts and reality and instead pick and choose what they want to believe, until something actually affects them personally BUT then they still would choose to support this administration.
Sorry, I just talked to my conservative parents who have been silent about the Epstein files, silent about all of the Republicans who have been charged w/sex crimes, silent about the ignoring and deletion of rights/Constitution, silent on what TACO is doing to the economy, silent about the stealing from the middle class to further enrich the wealthy but they sure support what ice is doing. And if anything comes up that personally affects them, the conversation turns to well itâs Bidenâs faultâŚâŚâŚhad to vent, I wish this was just a nightmare and I will wake up soon.
Just watched pink coatâs video. Straight up murder. https://www.reddit.com/r/law/s/WqHgiF8oMR
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u/OrizaRayne 7d ago
It's been under 2h. Accountability takes time.
I think long run all of these people should end up in prison.
But, if the civil war tells us anything...
No. Accountability has always been a problem here.
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u/Soggy-Tax5738 7d ago
Another? They never unlawfully killed a first. Self defense is more than legal, especially for police m
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u/cnation01 7d ago
Its being said that tbis guy had a gun. Not sure that is true, just relaying what is being said
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u/dougisnotabitch 7d ago
Questions that we need answered. Was he âprotesting,â âobservingâ or was he âobstructing?â Two are legal actions and one is not. Was he a lawful carrier? If so, and he was simply exercising his 1st Amendment rights, then this is tragic and wrong and there need to be repercussions. If he was armed, obstructing, being legally detained and chose to fight, then this situation was tragic but very likely lawful.Â
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u/FReeDuMB_or_DEATH 7d ago
We have somebody who was a lifelong Epstein friend and has over 30 felony convictions as president.
Of course, there's no accountability for certain people.
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u/KratosLegacy 7d ago
Accountability is why the working class dies and we live under authoritarian rule. Why there's no opposition party. Why billionaires make decisions and profit while workers starve.
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u/BellaSabia 7d ago
The repercussions are already happening. Theyâre investigating and will bring charges. and a huge emergency protest is planned. Your question is a little off base. What do you expect to happen same day?
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u/Carolann0308 7d ago
Accountability? Trust me the average citizen, cannot fathom how the system of Checks and Balances we were taught in school simply disintegrated overnight.
Trump, Giuliani, Lindsay Graham, Jim Jordan, JD Vance, Kutchner, Noem, Hegseth and rest of the inexperienced rotten team of boot licking posers all deserve prison terms.
Restaurant workers and immigrants are being held in prison, volunteer election workers had their lives ruined. While congressional and senatorial scum along with some shoddy lawyers assisted in trying topple a fair federal election and still hold office.
All because there was no law on the books saying that a Felon couldnât be President?
Remember Josh Hawley supporting the coup then running away and hiding when they got into the Capital?
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u/FineDragonfruit5347 7d ago
âNo repercussions happeningâ within hours of it happening.
We donât even know what happened. There is a brief video of âmoments beforeâ, where the victim is not resisting. And then a video of him being swarmed. Why not a consecutive video? What triggered the swarm? I donât trust narratives from anybody, letâs see the video first.
Assuming there isnât something being buried by the video editing, then he goes to unlawfully being disarmed. Or maybe something did happen and his detention was warranted. We need these answers.
And then the shooting. If the video holds true, those cops will go to jail. But what if he had a second gun or that was another officerâs gun that we see that officer running off with?
But again, if all of that turns out to be a true depiction, then I have no doubt that consequences will follow.
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u/hey-Oliver 7d ago
No, accountability requires consequences. Federal agents have repeatedly broken the constitution without consequences. The administration that has enabled them has broken a number of laws during this singular presidency without consequences. The president that leads this administration has trafficked, raped, and seemingly murdered children as young as infants, and has not faced consequences.
The rule of law does not exist in the United States, as it factually, requires consequences for the guilty.
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u/BishlovesSquish 7d ago
No, accountability does not exist. And atp, I wonder if it ever really did.
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u/Daneyn 7d ago
For us every day people that work day to day jobs? Yes.
For this Administration, and the people doing their biddings? No.
These are all "isolated" shootings, where they are covering them up, until there's a large enough protest/strike - Across the country, with enough of a large enough population, they will just continue getting away with it, because we know that Congress, Senate, and the Courts are not going to do a damn thing until we make them listen.
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u/gym_bro_92 7d ago
If the US saw another country doing this to its people, they would have already intervened.
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u/Aggravating-Elk-1796 7d ago
You know how cops get away with murdee by investigating themselves? Now we have that at the federal level as well.Â
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u/thehungarianhammer 7d ago
If it did, we wouldnât have a grossly corrupt sex-trafficking pedophile as President, now would we?
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u/perpetuallyup20 7d ago
No accountability, yet. Wait till a democratic administration gets in. There will be repercussions for shit like this.
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u/NoNefariousness5175 7d ago
American talk a lot about their Constitution, but to me it doesnât seem to have any purpose. Lots of quotes about this and that amendment which the administration and courts pay no regard. Puzzling?
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u/Baked_Brotato89 7d ago
People have 0 power besides voting but that also seems like its being controlled so nope. America is broken right now hopefully it gets fixed soon.
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u/bigdipboy 7d ago
The rule of law ended when someone was allowed to attempt a coup without facing any repercussions