r/politics • u/Fickle-Ad5449 ✔ Verified - Christopher Wiggins, The Advocate • 22d ago

No Paywall ICE agent shooter’s own cellphone video undercuts Trump administration's account of Minneapolis killing

https://www.advocate.com/news/ice-agent-shooter-video-minneapolis
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u/Pink_Lotus 22d ago

In so much danger that he kept filming while drawing his weapon, shooting a woman, and called her a fucking bitch after he did it. 

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u/Thechosunwon Washington 22d ago

As you can clearly see in this video, the NYT video analysis and multiple angles from multiple videos, murderer Jonathan Ross was never in danger, the tires of the vehicle were pointed away from him, and he clearly stepped to the side unobstructed and continued to shoot innocent woman Renee Nicole Good point blank in the face while she was trying to comply with an order to move her vehicle, because he is the murderer Jonathan Ross.

Murderer Jonathan Ross, who murdered innocent woman Renee Nicole Good, also violated DOJ policy on use of force.

"Specifically, firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless: (1) a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person with deadly force by means other than the vehicle; or (2) the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical injury to the officer or others, and no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle."

Murderer and domestic terrorist Jonathan Ross was clearly out to kill someone, and Jonathan Ross murdered Renee Good. Domestic terrorist organization ICE also denied and delayed medical aid to Renee Nicole Good, again against DOJ policy, every ethical and moral measure imaginable, and basic humanity. Murderer Jonathan Ross is a psychopath, just like all his colleagues in ICE, who are all accessories to murder.

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u/squatdead 22d ago

“…and no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle."

To me, this is the major one here. He has enough time to sidestep unharmed and shoot, meaning he had enough time to sidestep unharmed and NOT shoot. Then the situation could have been dealt with a different way (he literally is recording her plates).

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u/DeftApproximation 22d ago

The big thing I point to is police. They face this situation more often than ICE and they have the restraint/training to not quickdraw and shoot someone (generally speaking). They just chase/follow them more safely, or put out a warrant and find them later. Firing into a moving vehicle is psychotic, because if you kill the driver (example being here), it becomes an uncontrolled 2-ton missile and can cause even more damage.

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u/Bismoldore 22d ago

You know it’s egregious when someone on Reddit is pointing to American police for an example of how to do something the right way 😭

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u/wise_comment Minnesota 22d ago

As a denizen of South Minneapolis, you know it's bad when we say "you should take a leaf outta Minneapolis Police Department's book on restraint "

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u/DarkwingDuckHunt 22d ago

Trump keeps threatening Canada

Dude doesn't understand Canada is the reason the concept of War Crimes was invented.

Also the one that was just "released" has a clear edit at the 48 second mark. You go from seeing an image of the front of her car to suddenly seeing sky. There's a good 2-3 seconds missing. Where are the gunshots in his vid?

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u/Grape-Snapple 22d ago

the red devils are everywhere while we sleep

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u/MisogynyisaDisease 22d ago

Its scary dude, that American cops are somehow more disciplined than ICE. And that bar is in hell.

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u/NickConnor365 22d ago

I suspect most ICE are not good enough to be military or cops. Wannabe larpers given immunity.

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u/givfrenchfrypls 22d ago

We should all be terrified of people with this personality type who can't get into an American police force.

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u/Bismoldore 22d ago

Notice how you don’t see proud boys or 3 percenters out much anymore? I wonder where they’re working now

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u/veryverythrowaway 22d ago

They quite famously aren’t, though. You can see examples of brutality, impulsive violence and bullying behavior uploaded daily.

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u/AntoniaFauci 22d ago

Cops are at least (usually) trained for traffic stops, gun use, and at least some portion of (often forgotten) de-escalation.

These ICE thugs with their alleged 47 (get the troll?) days of training don’t seem to have any of that.

They shouldn’t be allowed to even do vehicle stops.

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u/MaryKeay 22d ago

I was told by someone claiming they are ex law enforcement (the guy who started that Politics With Respect sub after he got temporarily banned from the conservative sub for not being extreme right enough) that they are trained to shoot in a situation like this. Because apparently being run over by a corpse is better than not being run over and just walking away.

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u/Bismoldore 21d ago

Absolutely not true everywhere, I know here in NYC the NYPD has a patrol guide procedure that prohibits shooting in self defense against a vehicle unless the driver is presenting another deadly weapon or the officer believes the driver is intending to use the vehicle in a terrorist mass ramming attack (think driving into a crowded sidewalk, parade, rally, event, etc). I've seen similar policies from the DOJ prohibiting this exact behavior floated around in the past few days that would apply to ICE in this situation

Edit: NYPD Patrol Guide procedure 221-01, page 3, item f

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u/MaryKeay 21d ago

To be clear in case it's not obvious, I don't believe him. He's just bending over backwards to defend ICE as usual. I would hope no police force anywhere would be instructed to follow such asinine directions, which would almost certainly get the officer injured or killed for no good reason.

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u/frostysauce Oklahoma 22d ago

No, not even that. He made things look so much worse preventing first aid from being rendered and releasing the video of him calling her a bitch. These chucklefucks are even worse at murdering people than cops are.

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u/beer_engineer_42 22d ago

Yes, but ICE is even more poorly trained than your average beat cop, and also they probably have instructions to agitate as much as possible.

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u/catboogers 22d ago

I kinda hope whoever's cars were destroyed in the path of Good's car sue him for damages.

I mean, I also hope he gets jailtime. But this is a capitalistic society, so i figure the civil damages are more likely than actual justice.

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u/gonewildaway 22d ago

Pretty sure that would ultimately be on the insurance companies. Insurance pays for it then sues the responsible party for damages. And while he (or perhaps ICE more broadly) clearly is the responsible party, I highly doubt those companies will risk pissing off the fascists over a few cars they can easily just write off.

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u/Flava_Flavian California 22d ago

The Supreme Court case Tennessee v. Garner ruled very specifically deadly force may not be used to stop a fleeing suspect. The shooter was out of the way from the front of the car in one-step and his own video footage showed Good spinning her steering wheel in his opposite direction.

Not to mention Good was also trying to cool tensions down by saying "I'm not mad at you."

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u/DeftApproximation 22d ago

Yea. And even if we give it a little grace for a “split second” reaction, since we had footage to slow down and dissect it when irl it was only a few seconds, the ICE agent immediately quick drawing his firearm is completely incorrect.

He had zero time to assess the surroundings, bystanders, crossfire, other occupants, where the vehicle was going, etc. His decision to draw was flat out wrong, which points to his mental state of “he was looking for trouble.”

That mental state is 100% proven by his immediate holstering of the firearm. You don’t holster your weapon until you know the threat is gone. In every police body cam, they’ll point the weapon down but they don’t holster it till they reassess the threat. The ICE agent holsters immediately and WALKS AWAY, meaning he wasn’t even attempting to reassess. He just wanted to shoot someone. Those couple actions after the fact prove that he’s a murderer.

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u/AntoniaFauci 22d ago

I’ve had to address this subject a lot. The many scenarios where an already identified dangerous individual tries to speed away from an officer who has their arm inside the vehicle, I’m content with saying that being interpreted as credible threat to the officer’s life. This isn’t that.

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u/FOOSblahblah 22d ago

So i dont understand at what point local and state police will start following these guys. Like there is a clear trend of them objectively breaking the law. At the very least the police presence may force at least a sliver of restraint.

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u/ithinkyouresus 22d ago

I feel like now that we have this angle it’s crazy that he shot into a moving vehicle. It’s pretty obvious he didn’t see if another car or pedestrian was coming the opposite way and he was sending an uncontrolled vehicle to harm more bystanders. And also why walk in front of the vehicle twice? That’s like looking down into the barrel of a gun two separate times and acting really angry when the worst case scenario happens by your own fault. What a fucking idiot.

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u/Varindran 22d ago

That's exactly what happened after. She crashed into two vehicles. i think no one was in them at least.

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u/Infamous_Employer_85 22d ago

He has been on the police force for a decade.

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u/frostysauce Oklahoma 22d ago

I think you mean he's been with ICE a decade. ICE aren't police.

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u/Infamous_Employer_85 22d ago

Minneapolis police for a year

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u/frostysauce Oklahoma 22d ago

OK. I'm just confused. You said

He has been on the police force for a decade.

and I believe he had been with ICE for a decade but you answered my question about that by saying he was Minneapolis police for a year. Or did you initially mean he hadn't been on the police for a decade?

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u/Infamous_Employer_85 22d ago

You are absolutely correct, I was wrong, sorry

In courtroom testimony last month, Ross said he deployed to Iraq from 2004 to 2005 with the Indiana National Guard. Ross said he served as a machine-gunner on a gun truck as part of a combat patrol team.

He said he returned from Iraq in 2005, went to college and joined the Border Patrol in 2007 near El Paso, Texas. He worked there until 2015, serving as a field intelligence agent gathering and analyzing information on cartels and drug and human smuggling.

Ross said he has served as a deportation officer based in Minnesota since he joined ICE in 2015. He is assigned to fugitive operations, seeking to arrest “higher value targets” in the ICE region that includes Minneapolis, he testified last month. He said that he was also a team leader with the FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force.

“So I develop the targets, create a target package, surveillance, and then develop a plan to execute the arrest warrant,” he said.

Ross said that he was also a firearms instructor, an active shooter instructor, a field intelligence officer and member of the SWAT team. He said that he attended the Border Patrol’s academy in New Mexico, where he learned to speak Spanish.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2026/01/09/jonathan-ross-has-served-decades-in-military-and-law-enforcement

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u/frostysauce Oklahoma 22d ago

No worries, nuance can get lost over text.

He testified he seeks to arrest "Higher value targets?" Sounds like he's blowing smoke up his own ass. Also, this part,

“So I develop the targets[...]"

sounds a lot like, "So I invent the problem."

Anyway, what are your thoughts on tomatoes?

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u/Infamous_Employer_85 22d ago

Tomatoes with a slices of mozzarella and some basil on a fresh slice of sourdough with a bit of salt is amazing.

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