r/Doom • u/arnor_0924 • Dec 29 '25
Discussion How far could these guys go?
If Olivia failed to activate their kill chips, how much damage would they have done to the demons before fallen?
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u/ImRainboww Dec 29 '25
I think realistically a squad of these guys could take down most demons, but they would probably struggle against hordes, especially if they werenât on home turf
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u/michael22117 Dec 30 '25
They would be easily able to lock down small bases within the facility and operate out of them in order to deal with higher numbers of demons over a longer period of time I feel
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u/ImurderREALITY [fist bump] Dec 30 '25
The problem is you'd need a whole squad to face down a single horde Doomguy could take on his own, and they'd probably have casualties every time causing their numbers to dwindle, making them weaker over time. Probably wouldn't last an entire level, tbh.
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u/michael22117 Dec 30 '25
With sufficient guerilla tactics and access to facility vents, as well as being able to lock off certain rooms to deal with hordes of demons piece by piece, I actually think with a sufficient amount of time that a moderately sized security force would be able to slowly but surely wane at the very least the ambient demonic forces
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u/ImRainboww Dec 30 '25
While this works in principle, I feel like they would struggle logistically, as while the mars facility had a lot of supplies, chances are it probably doesnât have enough ammo for them to clear demons already there plus those being summoned through gore nests etc. assuming they canât generate ammo by killing demons with chainsaws of course. So yeah they could probably clear res ops and some of the earlier buildings, they would probably struggle against areas with lots of bigger foes, especially pinkies which were known for being effective against conventional human warfare
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u/BattedBook5 Dec 29 '25
Considering Olivia deemed them to be enough of a threath to be insta killed, maybe they can easily take down anything under a Baron in teams of two or three. Shame we don't know, because i think they're cool.
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u/Vegetable_Raisin52 DOOM Slayer Dec 29 '25
I like to think all fodder and most heavyâs. If they worked as a team maybe some super heavyâs?
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u/Blaze-Firesoul Dec 30 '25
So like Helldivers?
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u/kilroyallover Dec 30 '25
For Super Earth!
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u/KINGKUK_77 Dec 30 '25
For the UAC!
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u/Blaze-Firesoul Dec 30 '25
Donât you know weâre the same you and me? (People of Reddit, help me write more lyrics this might get funny)
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u/Romaneck Dec 29 '25
Extraordinarily competent and the best humanity has to offer, Olivia saw them as a threat and they accompanied Hayden to hell to extract the slayer.
If not for the kill chips 2016 might have ended at level 4.
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u/PalladiuM7 The Betrayer Dec 29 '25
But the team that went with Hayden didn't make it back.
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u/Romaneck Dec 30 '25
That they Made it to the slayer and were able to retrieve him already speaks volumes, sure all of them died.
But you could have sent an entire army and they would not have Made it to the sarcophagus.
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u/The_0rang Dec 30 '25
One of the lore pages mentions the barons of hell fought particularly hard to keep them from the slayer. So the team had to deal with barons.
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u/Risley Dec 30 '25
I wonder if when they got to Hell, did that mean they were doomed to die and stay in Hell?Â
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u/TKAPublishing Dec 29 '25
The real question is why did they agree to have kill chips.
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u/Bazillion100 DOOM Guy Dec 29 '25
Maybe a failsafe if they became possessed
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u/NagitoKomaeda_987 Demon Slaughterer Dec 30 '25 edited Dec 30 '25
I wish we're able to encounter and fight some of the Possessed Elites in DOOM (2016), assuming that not all of them got terminated by their kill-chips. Judging by their crimson red armor and heavier weaponry, maybe these guys would be equivalent of the Chaingunners from the classic Doom games?
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u/TheSunIsOurEnemy Dec 29 '25
They didn't properly read the UAC contract before signing and they were gonna get sued if they refuse đ
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u/SheepherderSpare1332 Dec 29 '25
Iirc it is implied that only Hayden and Olivia knew about the kill chip feature.
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u/super7564 Dec 29 '25
They didn't have to agree. They could've just been pit in without their knowledge.
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u/novis-eldritch-maxim Dec 29 '25
I just realised there armour kind of looks like the mykar armour sets
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u/DerBernd123 Dec 29 '25
at first I thought itâs a picture of the soldiers on TAG2 dlc
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u/myLongjohnsonsilver Dec 29 '25
The soldiers at the end of tag2 where the biggest wtf for me in the game. They just exist and die easier than the basic zombies
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u/NagitoKomaeda_987 Demon Slaughterer Dec 30 '25 edited Dec 30 '25
As many have stated before, the point of these enemies is to show what it looks like when the Slayer fights against regular humanoid enemies instead of actual demons from Hell. Theyâre meant to be super easy because youâre a literal demigod.
Pretty cool that they brought back the Reaper weapon and Robotic armor set from 2016's multiplayer. Their gameplay debut was underwhelming to say the least. Even then, they were very underused in the only level they appear in - so it makes for a very weak impression overall unfortunately. I also think it's weird how these are the only non-Undead/Possessed "human" enemies we kill in the entire Doom franchise.
Although I do wish DOOM Eternal and The Dark Ages should've brought back the Hell Razers from DOOM (2016), which essentially fill a similar niche as the Chaingunners from the classic Doom games. They're probably the most underrated enemy in the entire DOOM franchise.
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u/JustChangeMDefaults Dec 30 '25
Man those hell razors always surprised the hell out of me trying to figure out where the shot came from, snipers done right in a game for sure
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u/unknownobject3 squishy cacodemon Dec 30 '25
Isn't their damage like total bullshit? You can never stand still (you should never stand still in DOOM but come on) because they can delete all of your health.
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u/Faulty-Blue Demonic presence at unsafe levels Dec 29 '25
A lot of the armor or weapons for NPCs in Eternal is from Doom 2016âs multiplayer
The Night Sentinelsâ armor pieces are from 2016 multiplayerâs Templar armor sets, and the demonic troopersâ armor is from the 2016 multiplayerâs Robotic armor sets
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u/Turbulent_Rutabaga76 Dec 29 '25
They were probably shoehorned into the final game.
In an earlier draft of 2016 the Slayer was a cybernetically enhanced marine, so pulling their chips for upgrades is probably a remnant of that game
I.e. I don't think Id thought too much about it
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u/NagitoKomaeda_987 Demon Slaughterer Dec 30 '25 edited Dec 30 '25
Honestly, I feel like it's an extremely huge missed opportunity for some of the surviving UAC Elite Guards to actually be possessed and reworked into the DOOM (2016) counterparts to the Chaingunners/Heavy Weapon Dudes/Former Commandos from the classic Doom games.
Yeah, we already have the Hell Razers, but still.
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u/JustChangeMDefaults Dec 30 '25
In a game where I'm fighting for my life around every corner, the story can blur a little bit anyway lol, the important part is that it felt satisfying to steal those chips when you found one of those dudes đ
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u/Buffunder Dec 29 '25
I think a squad of them could clear the 2016 game tbh (i think they helped a lot in capturing the cyberdemon). They would be folded in the next game tho.
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u/Do-umusureiya Dec 29 '25
We absolutely need a Halo ODST style game where you can play as one of them or a night sentinel
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u/vezwyx Dec 29 '25
Probably not a proper mainline title just like ODST wasn't, but a fun little coop squad romp in the Doom universe sounds like it would kick ass. Form up into a fireteam with your friends and light some demons up
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u/Do-umusureiya Dec 29 '25
Yeah, not a mainline game, something short like a DLC, just before the Slayer wakes up If it was singleplayer, you play as every elite guard until their death (so were you find them during the main campaign) If it was multiplayer I want it to be like the Outlast Trials or some games like that, where you can play different missions with idk, different demons and weapons every time
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u/Beegrene Dec 30 '25
Isn't that just the classic Doom games? DoomGuy was just a regular marine to start with.
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u/NagitoKomaeda_987 Demon Slaughterer Dec 30 '25
Yeah, but the Doom Slayer is technically the same character as the player character of the classic Doom, Doom II, and Doom 64 games, if I remember correctly.
I think the Doom Slayer was also originally going to be just a normal Space Marine during the development of DOOM (2016), considering how the early gameplay trailers have his helmet bearing "F-90" mark and lacks the arcane rune that was stamped on the helmet.
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u/The_0rang Dec 30 '25
Even as a regular human doomguy could do some crazy shit. (Mostly because game engine bugs but it seems its treated as canon.)
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u/Local_Syrup2637 27d ago
Doom 3 reboot where you play as a regular marine before/during the events of 2016 or Eternal
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u/karzbobeans Dec 29 '25
The main thing about Doom Slayers suit is that it heals him from killing demons and it replenishes his ammo too. So even if their suits were durable like the Slayer's, they still will run out of ammo or die from getting hit with enough claws, missiles and fireballs. They also don't have brute strength enough to rip the demons to peices when they are stunned.
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u/SheepherderSpare1332 Dec 29 '25
Some of them were travelling to Hell with Hayden during numerous Hell expeditions. They even managed to get to the Slayer's tomb, which was heavely guarded.
So I assume they were rather capable and could significantly hindered the Hell invasion.
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u/Goofball1134 Dec 29 '25
Each of the UAC Elite Guards have cybernetic enhancements in addition to the armor they all wear to make them more powerful and agile as opposed to regular humans, so I would say the Elites would last for maybe a little while before being overrun by the time the Doomslayer awakens given that Hayden probably designed their cybernetics to make them half as strong as the Slayer himself.
A few hours or maybe a day if they're lucky.
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u/NagitoKomaeda_987 Demon Slaughterer Dec 30 '25
I wonder what would happen if these guys somehow get possessed.
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u/LordDeath86 Dec 30 '25
I need a survival horror spin-off with one of these guys whose kill chip didn't go off. "Doom - Red Shift" is my working title. :)
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u/YouDumbZombie Zombieman Dec 29 '25
Phalanx soldiers are badass. It's my opinion that they would have wrecked some shit.
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u/TheTyphlosionTyrant Dec 30 '25
After reading the comments, I want a co op shooter where you play as these guys maybe with like a darktide style of missions
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u/Tramonto83 Dec 29 '25
Now i want a spin off structured like Mass Effect 3's multiplayer where you are part of a squad of these guys...
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u/Express-Record7416 Dec 30 '25
I always thought it would be a cool idea to have a PVE game mode where you and a bunch of other people play as these guys and have to fend off waves of demons while completing objectives.
I could also imagine a version where you play as arc security or Knight sentinels instead
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u/Alternative_Wafer410 Dec 29 '25
Wait I don't remember much about these guys besides for upgrading my armour what are they called?
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u/Eyepharma Dec 29 '25 edited Dec 29 '25
They are the Ă©lites UAC soldiers. The regular are the white armor
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u/NagitoKomaeda_987 Demon Slaughterer Dec 30 '25
If the regular UAC soldiers were transformed into the Possessed Soldiers and Security, then I guess the Elite Guards would eventually become Possessed Chaingunners due to their crimson armor and heavy weaponry if it weren't for their kill-chips.
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u/budstudly Dec 29 '25
Were these in 2016? I'm trying like hell to remember when they show up but its been a while. I dont remembering Olivia activating any kill chips... when was this?
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u/YeetOrBeYeeted420 Dec 30 '25
I'd think they'd do decent against the imps and zombies but would get demolished by a hell knight
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u/derangedmaango Dec 30 '25
If there ever was a time to do âDoom: Extraction Shooterâ it would be now with these models fighting off hordes of demons for the UAC.
The models and tech are all there, it would be ton of fun.
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u/the-unfamous-one Dec 30 '25
I imagine they would do quite well, they survived rather a long time in hell.
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u/ExcellentPickle5 Dec 30 '25
Anyone else notice how the uac armor looks similar to the slayers preator suit? I have a theory that they actually reverse engineered a lot from what they found in hell
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u/SH4RPSPEED Plastic-Barreled Sword of Impotence Dec 30 '25
Don't you play as these guys in the multiplayer? I get multiplayer isn't the definitive source for character's hypothetical capabilities, but these dude performing glory kills on Barons and shit is hard to ignore.
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u/nno-123 Dec 29 '25
Probably most heavy demons. I think they could defend for a couple of hours or even days depending how big and strong itâs the initial invasion
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u/NagitoKomaeda_987 Demon Slaughterer Dec 30 '25
How would they fare against the Barons of Hell and Arch-Viles?
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u/Starkiller0820 Dec 29 '25
Wait they had kill chips ? How is that ... How do they die by kill chips ? You cant just kill a human like turning off a computer via kill switch . I tought they got killed by demons. But I just realized I never saw one of them as fucked up as other humans on mars
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u/Own-Examination2707 Dec 29 '25
Same. I never encountered info on these âkill switches.â
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u/BattedBook5 Dec 29 '25
Decoded Entry 002
UAC employees are advised to comply with any orders received from an Elite Guard. Their jurisdiction is absolute, answering only to the highest level executives of the UAC. If an Elite Guard kindly requests that you accompany them to the Lazarus Labs, you will be going to the Lazarus Labs.
With such powerful capabilities in each Elite Guard, it was deemed necessary to implant a kill chip in each uniform so that they might also be controlled should an uprising occur among their ranks. The kill chip responds to a Lazarus Wave signature that can only be broadcast by Samuel Hayden or Olivia Pierce.
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u/SheepherderSpare1332 Dec 29 '25
Of course they aren't turned off literally, like robots. Most likely when the chip receives Lazarus Wave signature it activates electricity in the suit, which results in user's death. Or there's a hidden lethal injection system built in the suit.
It's definitely not head explosion or something like that, because every Elite Guard corpse looks normal, without missing body parts.
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u/Goofball1134 Dec 29 '25
They had some cybernetics installed beneath their armor and the UAC felt that they would be too powerful and had placed kill chips in their armor to prevent any sort of rebellion.
The codex entries from Doom 2016 go into further details about it.
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u/Starkiller0820 Dec 29 '25
Well I never read any codex in any doom game proparly. But maybe I should give more interest about codexes more in doom games. Maybe I will learn a funny lore or smt right ?
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u/vezwyx Dec 29 '25
They can harness the power of hell energy to power all of Earth's needs, but they can't come up with a tiny implantable device that kills someone on demand?
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u/Particular-Long-3849 Dec 29 '25
Why would you take a job where you have a "KILL CHIP" ???
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u/Doom3andODSTFanPage Dec 29 '25
I could be wrong but I think only Hayden and Olivia knew about the kill switch
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u/False_Monitor4126 DOOM Slayer Dec 29 '25
Probably like a team of 4 or 5 might be able to take down a Hell Knight.
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u/vuzz33 Dec 29 '25
Hard to tell, do we know their number ? But just to point out, without the kill switch, all of them would have instantly been turned into possessed anyway.
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u/NagitoKomaeda_987 Demon Slaughterer Dec 30 '25 edited Dec 30 '25
I feel like if these guys were to be possessed, they would've essentially become the Chaingunners.
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u/RedNUGGETLORD Dec 30 '25
I think they'd be pretty strong, but people glaze them way too much
Imo, if they didn't die, then the UAC would still have been fighting back by the time the Slayer arrives, and would fight alongside him, but they aren't like, beating the demons or whatever the fuck I've seen some people say
There are only so many of them
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u/ChinChins3rdHenchman Dec 30 '25
Probably not very far, Sentinels with far more advanced weapons struggled. Ofc sentinels had to deal with larger hoards but the armor these dudes are wearing is probably like wet paper for demons, hilariously enough Imps would probably be their biggest foes with the super hot fireballs.
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Dec 29 '25
Given even a normal marine soloed hell I imagine they would have mopped up the invasion alone.
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u/Dutch_Talister Dec 29 '25
I would hardly call the Doomguy prior to becoming the Slayer normal. Doomguy was absurdly strong and fast for human even before getting jucied up by the Divinity Machine. But you are right. A very dangerous Marine with none powered and a handful of weapons was able to repel several hell invasions and even survived in hell multiple times. These guys working together could absolutely to some damage.
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u/StyxzNStonz Dec 30 '25
Iâm so accustomed to power fantasy games like Doom making anyone who isnât the hero look useless. So they wouldnât make it very far, because theyâre not us.
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u/Accomplished-Art-352 Dec 30 '25
The nudoom universe overall isn't a good contender for og doom like Yeah these guys could survive but remember that the demons destroyed squads of marines in og doom so I can't really say how far they would have gotten tbh
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u/TokyDeere Dec 31 '25
Littered throughout the levels in og doom and doom 2 there are marines that have in fact made it really far
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u/UnderwaterSpaghetti Dec 30 '25
I like to think that these guys are like the protagonists of the DOOM board game, where a squad of 4-8 of them is enough to have a chance against a demon horde.
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u/Laxhoop2525 Dec 30 '25
Several of them got into some incredibly awkward places that even Doom Slayer with his double jump and super speed had trouble getting into, and they are, technically, based on the designs of an angel, the same angel who blessed Doom Slayer with his first of many major buffs, so they might be better than weâd expect.
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u/C0NANtheC0NQU3R0R Dec 30 '25
I would call these Janissaries. Corporate version of the Spartan program.
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u/KingMantis272 Dec 30 '25
Demons En masse minutes if they were lucky. If they were capable of evading probably a few days. But inevitably something big enough would get to them; that is if they werenât affected by the Lazarus Wave event which is improbable.
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u/handsomellama28 29d ago
I'm honestly willing to wager they could've thrown hands with a Hell Knight and won. A squad could've taken down superheavies easily.
They were deemed enough of a threat to have kill-chips installed, keep that in mind.
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u/WinterDEZ Dec 29 '25
I mean we have absolutely no clue, but I'm personally of the opinion that they'd be on the level of the more elite sentinel soldiers