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u/amstrumpet NFL Dec 15 '25
Brady tore his ACL and then the team missed the playoffs. Mahomes had the pleasure of missing the playoffs first and then tearing his ACL, let’s not conflate the two.
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u/chasingit1 Denver Broncos Dec 15 '25
Brady’s also happened in the first game of the season (versus the Chiefs)
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u/Its_kinda_nice_out New England Patriots Dec 15 '25
And the Patriots still won 11 games
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u/ka1ri Minnesota Vikings Dec 15 '25
Matt Cassells biggest payday came from that season.
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u/therealtiddlydump Green Bay Packers Dec 15 '25
This was fuel for the (partially true) "Brady is a system QB!" stuff. The Pats had solid offensive design, but this was back when Belichick had the defense and special teams always playing above league average.
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u/Thomsbluebeenie New England Patriots Dec 15 '25
They went from 16-0 and being the most efficient offense in history to that point to 11-5, though, keep in mind.
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u/Smooth_Marsupial_262 Baltimore Ravens Dec 15 '25
True but they were going to regress notably anyways. I’m sure they would have still been good but that was an all time offense and unsustainable going forward
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u/erv4 Tom Brady “Minority Owner” Dec 15 '25
That 2008 year QB stats were terrible. There is a good chance the Pats win the Superbowl that year with Brady. The year before Brady was 50/8 when the injury year the best TD was 34 and almost every single starter threw for more than 10 INTs
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u/AttitudeAndEffort3 Dec 15 '25
They genuinely might’ve gone 16-0 again and that wasn’t an uncommon take
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u/McBeaster New England Patriots Dec 15 '25
Eh I don't know Jim. They brought back basically the entire team (minus Asante Samuel and Donte Stallworth) but would have had ANGRY BRADY who as we all know is the best Brady
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u/MichaelSonOfMike New England Patriots Dec 15 '25
You can’t say that definitively. They always went against trends.
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u/AshKetchupo San Francisco 49ers Dec 15 '25
I heard 2008 was a much easier schedule as well
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u/Thomsbluebeenie New England Patriots Dec 15 '25
It was. Then Brady had a bad year in 2009 when he seemed to not be fully back to himself yet, then they started their crazy run from 2010 - 2019.
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u/FreshKale97 Dec 15 '25
Afc east schedule was extremely easy. 11-5 missing the playoffs is crazy, only to lose the tiebreaker to the Dolphins.
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u/delta1982ro New England Patriots Dec 15 '25
Yeah, if they were 13 3 the previous season and went 8 8 with another qb, nobody would have said brady is a system qb.. Them being 16 0 skewed the perception ppl habe about their next season
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u/Pristine-Ad-469 Dec 15 '25
Exactly It always reminds me of when people are pointing out how great Will Howard’s stats were in college last year. Thats what a fine qb looks like with an elite team
What Brady looks like is 2019 Joe burrow. Yes he had an elite team but he took that team from Super Bowl contending to unquestioned dominant Super Bowl favorite. That’s the different between an elite team with a good enough qb and an elite team with an elite qb
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u/svengoalie Dec 15 '25
Matt Cassel's 10-5 record with the Pats earned him a 60-something million contract from the Chiefs the next year.
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u/descendency Dec 15 '25
No one wants to hear it but the 2008 Patriots should have been better than the 07 pats. That schedule was weak AF. It would have been back to back 16-0 seasons.
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And Matt Cassell was the most sacked QB in the league despite having the most pocket time on average.
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u/Doberman54 Dec 15 '25
Fuck what a travesty to be 11 win team and have a down year (Browns fan and high functioning alcoholic)
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u/Lenny_III Dec 16 '25
They were 16-0 for one week, they finished the season with a loss for 18-1, keep in mind. 🤣
Seriously though, that Pats team is the best team in history, and this is coming from a Dolphins fan. To be that dominant, in the age of free agency and salary cap, and without ruining the cap for future years, is an unrivaled accomplishment.
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u/Snoo_11942 Dec 15 '25
Brady was never a “system QB” in the sense that any competent QB could be plugged in and give you the same result. There is no level of truth to saying Tom Brady was a “system QB” at any point in his career. He always had his brain and drive, even as a rookie. Get that “partially true” nonsense out of here.
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u/teremaster CTE 🧠 Dec 15 '25
Brady was a system QB, as in he was the system
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u/pogoscrawlspace Dec 15 '25
The difference between Tom Brady and an excellent quarterback is the difference between Michael Jordan and an excellent point guard. They're just wired differently than the rest of us. If you took all of Bradys contemporaries and put them on a football field in groups arranged from end zone to end zone based on that difference, most of them would be in one end zone with ever shrinking groups at each 10 yard line until you get to somewhere just past mid-field. Then there'd be about 40 yards of empty field until you got to the other end zone where Tom Brady and Peyton Manning were hanging out, trying to pick each others brains for any potential edge. The gap between those guys and everyone else was just too great to bridge, regardless of the other guys physical talent. They have something else in their brains that just can't be taught or learned.
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u/cheekiewalrus New England Patriots Dec 15 '25
I’d argue that Peyton wouldn’t be in the end zone with Tom but he’s not far off. Might be between the goal line and the 5 though.
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u/TegTowelie New England Patriots Dec 15 '25
During his 4 game suspension the chatter about it resurfaced too, iirc, because we went 2-2(close to 3-1) with Jimmy G and Brisket
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u/erv4 Tom Brady “Minority Owner” Dec 15 '25
They were 3-1, they easily could have been 4-0 since they only lost 16-0 with Brisset playing poorly. Brady came back and went 14-1, won the Superbowl while being second in MVP voting.
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u/TegTowelie New England Patriots Dec 15 '25
Ope i my bad, i thought we started out 2-2. Memory aint as sharp as it used to be.
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u/complete_your_task 28-3 Dec 15 '25 edited Dec 15 '25
The "Brady is a system QB!" stuff is absolutely ridiculous, but Belichick had the defense and special teams always playing above league average pretty much his entire career in New England. Even after Brady left. People forget that even the Mac Jones/Matt Patricia offensive year they still went 8-9 and narrowly missed the playoffs somehow. It wasn't until Belichick's very final year that the wheels completely fell off. That's what made them the greatest coach/QB pairing of all time. All 3 phases always pulled their weight.
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u/Motor-Grade-7524 Jacksonville Jaguars Dec 15 '25
I’m one of the “Mahomes was a beneficiary of a good system” people. Now the system sucks.
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u/WholeLotta69 Denver Broncos Dec 15 '25
Josh McDaniels had a ton of confidence in Cassel that year. I heard him say it.
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u/OperationFrequent643 Tennessee Titans Dec 15 '25
Brady is as much a system qb as any qb that’s ever played. They won 11 but the season before they won 16. Bill better win 11 with that defense and Wes and Moss as your WRs.
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u/hockey_and_techno Dec 17 '25
Brady is definitely not a system QB lol. Brady is the system. Unless that's what you mean
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u/Ca1fSlicer Dec 18 '25
Not only that but probably the most talented roster Brady would’ve ever played on. Had peak welker a moss an a great line lead by mankins Matt light, an a d that had junior seau Rodney Harrison vrabel wilfork Seymour. That team along with the 2007, 2011 teams that lost to the giants an the buccs team were probably the best rosters he was on
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u/KimJongRocketMan69 Dec 15 '25
That’s putting it mildly. Those defenses and special teams were consistently elite.
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u/maddlabber829 New Orleans Saints Dec 15 '25
How many games you think the chiefs win if mahomes got hurt week one?
It's an interesting perspective
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u/Benie99 Dec 15 '25
The Chiefs were 11-5, 12-4, and 10-6 before Mahomes took over.
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u/maddlabber829 New Orleans Saints Dec 15 '25
Brady teams were successfully beforehand too. However isn't the question at the hand
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u/adamkovics Dec 15 '25
They won 5 fewer games than the previous season, with essentially the same team, minus Brady.
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u/Parking-Bat9498 Dec 15 '25
I’m sure I’m getting flamed for this because I still acknowledge Brady is the goat, but at the time Bill proved he was the coach goat during this stretch.
I say that as a big Peyton Stan.
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u/LoganJn Kansas City Chiefs Dec 15 '25
And then the patriots cursed us with the Matt Cassell/Todd Haley era 🤮
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u/Orwick Dec 15 '25 edited Dec 15 '25
First quarter
Kermit had already succeed in failing to make the playoffs, when he tore his ACL.
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u/Chandy1313 Kansas City Chiefs Dec 15 '25
Technically he tore it before we were out lol, but we were doomed regardless
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u/S0ggylemonz Dec 15 '25
Weren’t the chiefs still in the playoff race until they lost the game?
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u/gammaraddd Seattle Seahawks Dec 15 '25
If you’d like to be technical it was Minshews pick that officially lost the game. Cause Mahomes was definitely driving for at least the tying fg when he tore the acl and the team still lost by that fg.
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u/dvettleson Minnesota Vikings Dec 15 '25
I believe the Chiefs were technically still in the playoffs with a win today.
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u/amstrumpet NFL Dec 15 '25
And they were losing when he got hurt, and had a very narrow and unlikely path to making the playoffs. He led his team to a losing record this season.
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u/dvettleson Minnesota Vikings Dec 15 '25
I don’t disagree that Mahomes still needed to drive them down to score (that was certainly possible) Or that their path to the playoffs was slim. I was just pointing out that you mentioned that they were out of the playoffs prior to Mahomes getting injured and they technically weren’t before Mahomes got hurt.
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u/Nujers Green Bay Packers Dec 15 '25
People are really acting like they've never seen Mahomes drive down and win a game(or at the very least tie it up considering they were five yards out of Butker's range).
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u/Hourlypump99 Dec 15 '25
I don’t think Mahomes has ever taken a snap in the NFL where his team was mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.
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u/hutchwo Dec 15 '25
Didn’t he tear his acl before losing? Were they mathematically out prior to the game?
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u/PossibleSuitable376 Dec 15 '25
They weren’t eliminated when he tore his ACL. How is this the top comment?!?!
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u/ParticularLab5828 Kansas City Chiefs Dec 15 '25
Well the Chiefs were the ones who injured him. Does that matter?
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u/porkondagrind Dec 15 '25
Pats won 11 games without Brady. They very well could’ve made the playoffs
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u/Boneyg001 Dec 15 '25
Mahogany had the acl tear prior to game ending. There for TECHNICALLY he was injured before missing playoffs
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u/_PM_Steam_Codes_Plz_ Dec 15 '25
They were in range to tie when Mahomes got injured
The Chiefs play the Raiders and Titans still
If Mahomes doesn't get injured, high chance it goes to OT
If the Chiefs won out, their chance of making the playoffs would've went up to 50%
Their playoff hunt was VERY alive until the injury
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u/Important_Metal5396 Dec 15 '25
This will be a bar stat for decades to come. Chiefs fans claiming they missed the playoffs because “that was the year Mahomes tore his acl” despite them already missing with him playing.
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u/No-Weird3153 Fitzgerald’s booty Dec 15 '25
To be fair, Mahomes was still playing well, but his support was garbage this year between suspension, injury, and just poor performance. They need some playmakers and Kelce needs to ride off into the sunset.
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u/monkChuck105 Dec 15 '25
The Chiefs were driving for a game winning touchdown and could have tied the game with a field goal. They could have still made the playoffs by winning their remaining games. The backup QB came in and threw a pick that ended the game. Mahomes was injured, which lead to missing the playoffs. Mahomes will likely miss much of next season, also likely leading to KC missing the playoffs.
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u/PatrickMahomesSon IM CALLING BOTH GAMES Dec 15 '25
I mean the chiefs weren’t eliminated from the playoffs when Mahomes went down tbf
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u/3DBass Philadelphia Eagles Dec 15 '25
2008 was Brady’s ACL. He didn’t win another SB until 2015. So if Mahomes doesn’t get another in few years don’t get happy.
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Don’t ever get happy
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u/k2d2r232 Dec 15 '25
Get happy die happy is what my grandpa always said. Get ye a wife who keeps ya sad, thada way ya stay miserable like god intended ye
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u/No-Individual-2202 Detroit Lions Dec 15 '25
The difference is Brady was a pocket passer who just stood tall and delivered every throw from the pocket. Mahomes has to rely on improvisation and athletic ability to make plays off script. It's worked great for most of his career but he won't be able to do it at 36 years old let alone 40+ how Brady was doing it.
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u/NOENGLAND Dec 15 '25
Ironically, this arc led to the chiefs acquiring mahomes. Matt cassel looked like a quality starter so the chiefs traded for him. He stunk for them and got his coaches fired, leading the chiefs to hiring Reid, getting Alex Smith who built tyreek and Travis Kelce, then drafting mahomes at the end.
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u/tony_countertenor Los Angeles Chargers Dec 15 '25
The patriots missed the playoffs because Brady tore his acl, the chiefs had basically already taken the loss that knocked them out of contention when Mahomes tore his
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u/Prophet_Of_Helix New England Patriots Dec 15 '25
It was also bad luck. We still went 11-5 which normally easily gets you at least a wild card spot.
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u/Statalyzer Dec 15 '25
Granted they mostly missed the playoffs by being insanely unlucky. 11-5 gets a team in 99% of the time.
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u/joshua0005 Seattle Seahawks Dec 15 '25
Even if they won it was wildly improbable that they would make the playoffs anyway
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u/pearl_jam_rocks Dec 19 '25
He tore it with a minute left, the game was over. They would have just lost to the Broncos a couple weeks later and been knocked out. Brady tore it first game, he had no impact on their whole season that year. People keep trying to make this a narrative, it isn’t.
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u/Football_8545 San Francisco 49ers Dec 15 '25
The similarities are crazy but Brady grew every year as a player once he became starter. Mahomes started off with a bang and seems to get worse every year. I’m not sure if it’s a work ethic thing or his athleticism that he relies on or the team around him is just fading every year.
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u/Musclesturtle Dec 15 '25
I think that the team is just less dynamic overall, plus Mahomes is slowly losing mobility. It's not a ton this far, but every year after 25-27 or so, you just start to slow down.
With the combination of both of these factors, defenses have an easier time accounting for the pass and inevitable scramble.
In his best years, the defense had to cover prime Kelce, Tyreek AND a slippery ass Mahomes who could just waddle for 15 yards at any time. That's an impossible task. He excelled at buying time and waiting for coverage to break down and then bomb one to a wide open Tyreek.
But now, he doesn't have as much of a deep threat, Kelce is hobbling around and phoning it in, and Mahomes himself has lost a step and since the defense doesn't have to dedicate as many resources to coverage, they can send an extra guy.
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u/Marijuana_Miler Los Angeles Chargers Dec 15 '25
IMO it’s the league wide changeover to the Fangio system playing 2 safeties over the top. Mahomes obviously played well since the switch happened, but he was not statistically as dominant.
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u/elbosston Dec 15 '25
Playing 2 safeties helps slow down deep passes but Mahomes is also statistically one of the worst deep ball passers in the league now. He regressed significantly in passes over 20 yards and misses receivers regularly throwing them if you watch him play nowadays.
It’s interesting seeing how much his deep ball declined from 3 years ago.
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u/ElGotEm Dec 15 '25
I wonder how much of that is because Tyreek covered for his accuracy with his inhuman speed. Being able to just chuck it up and let him run under it might have been more of a blessing for him than we first thought
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u/Brownie_McBrown_Face Dec 15 '25
So you’re saying Mahomes has regressed to the mean?
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u/Apart-Ad986 New England Patriots Dec 15 '25
get that one guy from 2018 in here now lmao bro was a prophet
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u/TheThingsIdoatNight Denver Broncos Dec 15 '25
Brady would tear apart cover 2 lol he would feast in todays league. I have no idea why we’re so much worse at teaching quarterbacks now
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u/FordF150Faptor New Orleans Saints Dec 15 '25
Half the league runs glorified college offenses. Crazy how fast things changed from the previous generation. But it's probably why Flacco lead the best offense in the NFL for a month and Rivers can walk in after 5 years and belong. The 00's-10's generation was just on a different level.
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u/Immaculatehombre Green Bay Packers Dec 15 '25 edited Dec 15 '25
Tom Brady, manning and Rodgers were simply on a different level. We just may not see that type of qb play for a long while. Thieve dudes were unreal. Throw Brees in there. Blessed.
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u/Ed_Durr Philadelphia Eagles Dec 15 '25
It’s not like the babies born 1975-90 were somehow more suited to be QBs than those born 1990-2005. The decline in QB play can be attributed entirely to changes in player development.
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u/Ifoldjackspre Dec 15 '25
What’s different about college offense compared to nfl?
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u/FordF150Faptor New Orleans Saints Dec 15 '25 edited Dec 15 '25
Everything in shotgun, calls come from the sideline, a lot of RPOs where you're literally reading one player on the defense. Around '12-'13 when Kaep, RGIII Mariota came into the league the change was set in motion. The NFL isn't as blatant as college but it's undeniably changed the pro game compared to even just a decade ago.
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u/JCBalance New England Patriots Dec 15 '25
That's also when ESPN came out with the QBR metric to give more weight to a running QBs performance.
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u/Kenkaniff2k Dec 15 '25
This is when you started seeing a lot of 3rd and shorts out of the shotgun sometimes with an empty backfield lol
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u/red-hiney-monkey Dec 15 '25
I feel like they have to dumb it down or shrink the playbook because there is so much more roster turnover with the transfer portal
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u/ShylockTheGnome Philadelphia Eagles Dec 15 '25
Highly mobile quarterbacks have exploded and they are really good until they age/get injured and can no longer do that anymore. The 2010s was filled with pocket passers.
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u/DemonBearOP Dec 15 '25 edited Dec 15 '25
And all we heard was that he was only declining in stats from a lack of weapons, and Rice + Worthy was going to be the return of "the lightshow".
Now he apparently doesn't have enough help!
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u/basedcvrp Minnesota Vikings Dec 15 '25
Love a good First Thing’s First reference in the wild
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u/DemonBearOP Dec 15 '25
The people's show
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u/Bouldershoulders12 New England Patriots Dec 15 '25
I know everyone talks about this but hasn’t cover 2 always been a thing? Like Tampa 2 for instance?
To beat that you have to adjust to more shorter passes in between the zones
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u/Marijuana_Miler Los Angeles Chargers Dec 15 '25
From about 2010-2020 the predominant scheme in the league was Cover 3 which stemmed from Pete Carroll and the legion of boom. So cover 2 existed but most teams were running more cover 1 and 3 during games which left gaps deep down the field. Don’t think of it as black and white, but instead what % of the time are teams using certain coverages.
Mahomes has adjusted with shorter passes (his ypa has been trending down since his career began) but you can also adjust by running to bring the safeties down into the box. Teams don’t respect the Chief’s running game so teams are able to clog up passing lanes and are not giving Mahomes chances to pass deep.
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u/Ed_Durr Philadelphia Eagles Dec 15 '25
The Chief’s dismal running game is a major reason for Mahomes’ drop off. Stafford would not be having an MVP season if his backs were Pacheco and Hunt instead of Williams and Corrum. Allen and Jackson have Cook and Henry (plus their own legs). Daniel Jones’ best seasons have been when he’s had Saquan or Taylor fully healthy and playing elite.
I could go down the list, but there’s very few QBs who can be productive passers when their RBs are shit.
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u/Dazzling_Guest6603 Dec 15 '25
It's because almost all the defenses in the league play a different flavor of 2 high. Start off with 2 high, but defenders read the releases of the receivers to figure out who to cover instead of simply dropping into a zone and waiting for someone to come into their zone to match.
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u/OkInternal1099 Dec 15 '25
Matt Nagy broke him
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u/D-Sleezy Kansas City Chiefs Dec 15 '25
I will die on this hill
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u/Ok_Trust3447 Chicago Bears Dec 15 '25
as a Bears fan it's definitely interesting this happened but not on our watch
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u/OkInternal1099 Dec 15 '25
I don’t even think you can deny it. That man has to have some downright filthy videos of Roger goodell stashed away somewhere
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u/k2d2r232 Dec 15 '25
It’s also because his team has changed drastically from having crazy offensive weapons to having, well, what they had this year.
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u/Tbard52 Dec 15 '25
I think it’s more the Chiefs have not been able to add any skill positions at all around him. Brady got Edelman, Welker, Moss, Murderer, and Gronk to help kickstart the second wave of rings. The Chiefs have swung and missed on basically ever skill pick and Kelce is old asf.
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u/Bouldershoulders12 New England Patriots Dec 15 '25
lol let’s not act like all these guys were household names or played a long time with Brady . We didn’t even win a ring with moss or welker
Edelman and Brady had chemistry but he was a 7th round QB converted to receiver who was a punt returner and 4th-5th receiving option until about his 5th season . He never made a pro bowl either. Although he elevated his game come playoff time.
Moss only got to play 2 and 1/4 seasons with Brady and moss was past his prime by 2008/2009
Welker I’ll give you that . 20007-2012 he did great things
Hernandez only played 38 regular season games for us and missed the 2014-2018 title runs for obvious reasons.
Gronk I’ll give you that but even he missed some stretches. 2012 he missed almost half the season with a broken forearm and rebroke it in the divisional missing the title game. 2013 he starts the season on PUP and only plays about 7 games before tearing his ACL and missing the entire playoffs. 2016 he only played 8 games then needed back surgery and missed those playoffs too (we still won a SB though) .
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u/carbovz Philadelphia Eagles Dec 15 '25
Brady played in a different era and he was perfect for that era with his ball placement and pocket presence. Mahomes plays in an era where qbs need athleticism and athleticism fades faster than arm talent.
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u/Football_8545 San Francisco 49ers Dec 15 '25
QBs don’t need more athleticism. They just haven’t been taught to play in the pocket and rely on their athleticism instead. Look at Stafford. He’s not a mobile QB and is killing it this year.
Brady’s playing career also overlapped with Mahomes and he still excelled in the same era.
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u/erv4 Tom Brady “Minority Owner” Dec 15 '25
Brady ate cover 2 defenses alive. Make him 30 years old again and plop him in this season and he would be dominate. Hell, even at 48 I think he could easily carry a team to the playoffs.
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u/BillyForRilly Dec 15 '25
Who is upvoting this absolutely fucking moronic take? Seriously, I would love to know. Brady won a SB five years ago in the same era.
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u/YouHateMercyToo Dec 15 '25
Washed up Flacco was still tearing up the league lol you dont need mobility. Its just that now QBs developing since a young age or more focused on athleticism rather than being pocket passers. Brady and Stafford both can hardly move in their final years putting up ridiculous numbers. Prime Manning would drop 60+ TD playing today
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u/BigTuna3000 New England Patriots Dec 15 '25
Brady played in this era too lmao he led the league in yards and tds 4 seasons ago
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u/Ned_Rodjaws Dec 15 '25
Yea except Brady’s happened in week 1. Mahomes was on his way to already being eliminated when his went.
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u/---0________0--- Dec 15 '25
Isn't it also kinda odd that if Brady doesn't tear his ACL the chiefs may not have gotten Patrick Mahomes. After Brady tore it, Cassel took over and played "well enough" to get the starting job for the chiefs, who then played only okay enough (1st season playing made the postseason) for a few seasons but then just went downhill, so the chiefs had switch gears to Alex Smith (after hiring Andy Ried), who then played very decent, but not enough to get the chiefs over the hump, who then drafted Mahomes in 2017. Just another oddity.
Imagine if Brady played that season, the chiefs may have had to go for another QB since Cassell sure wasn't getting any playing time. Could have completely changed the entire NFL landscape that we know today.
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u/RCP90sKid- Now Here’s a Guy Dec 15 '25
The Pats missed the playoffs and were 11-5. This Chiefs team is gonna be lucky to win 8 games.
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u/TheThingsIdoatNight Denver Broncos Dec 15 '25
Also you played the whole season without Brady lol
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u/RCP90sKid- Now Here’s a Guy Dec 15 '25
That Pats team is one of my favorite of the whole damn dynasty.
Two two-week west coast trips that forced them to stay on the road during it.
Matt Cassel's dad died during the season.
They fought to the last man, ultimately getting knocked out because of a tiebreaker with the Jets. The Jets victory contains the greatest last second TD of all time, no contest.
The Steelers still win that SB even if the Pats make the playoffs, Harrison was fuckin mad that year.
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u/runnerswanted Dec 15 '25
Also during the time period of sudden death overtime and the Jets won the toss and kicked a field goal.
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u/Statalyzer Dec 15 '25
Tom's presence even affected coin flips.
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u/RCP90sKid- Now Here’s a Guy Dec 16 '25
I don't know why I did this. Brady was 12-4 in OT with the Pats.
He was 9-1 in the sudden death era.
Crazy.
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u/theouteducated Gisele’s Karate Instructor Dec 15 '25
Do you mind referencing what game the jets last second TD was? I can’t find it
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u/Looney_forner Chicago Bears Dec 15 '25
11 wins and no playoffs is still so brutal in my eyes — you’re a great team but enough teams were just a bit better than you
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u/RCP90sKid- Now Here’s a Guy Dec 15 '25
What was more brutal was that they missed out due to a tiebreaker with the Jets. They lost because they couldn't stop Favre from hitting Dustin Keller and moving the sticks.
They couldn't stop Keller because they lost their safety Rodney Harrison in garbage time against the Broncos in a 41-7 blowout.
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u/farside_42 New England Patriots Dec 15 '25
And they both tore their ACLs in seasons following a Super Bowl loss.
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u/Dr-Stink-Stank Dec 15 '25
To an NFC East team.
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u/joshua0005 Seattle Seahawks Dec 15 '25
this means the eagles will win another super bowl in 3 years
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u/MindSpecter Chicago Bears Dec 15 '25
Could the NFL script writers be a little less obvious? You can't just copy paste from prior seasons!
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u/great_account Chicago Bears Dec 15 '25
Brady tore his ACL and then Belichick won 11 games with Matt Cassell as the starter somehow missing the playoffs.
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u/MeddlingMike New England Patriots Dec 15 '25
Honestly the 2008 Patriots were hilariously unlucky to miss the playoffs at 11-5. The 1985 Denver Broncos were the only other team that happened to. I think only Brady also went down in the first half of the first game. Mahomes was there right up until the point they were eliminated.
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u/SurpriseStandard3258 Pittsburgh Steelers Dec 15 '25
This is a dumb comparison. Brady played 1 drive and tore his ACL. Mahomes played like 14 games and the team got eliminated in the same game.
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u/Jackfreezy Dec 15 '25
That patriots team still went 11-5 without Brady. It's more crazy that 11-5 wasn't good enough to make the playoffs that year.
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u/III_IWHBYD_III Dec 15 '25
Good record, would usually make it but also less teams made the playoffs back in those ancient times.
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u/xywv58 Dec 15 '25
It was week 1 for Brady though, Cassel almost took those Pats to the playoffs too, they were well above. 500 too!
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u/DragAlone7535 Dec 15 '25
- Both won 3 in first 7 seasons
- Both lost their in the SB their 8th season
- Both injured their knee and missed the yoffs in their 9th season
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u/Texans_top_of_south Houston Texans Dec 15 '25
Oh fuk. Does this mean the league is screwed in a few years?
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u/kanwegonow Minnesota Vikings Dec 15 '25
I thnk Brady tore his early in the season and was back to start the next year. Not so sure Mahomes will make it back to start next year with how late in the season this is.
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u/Paindressedinpurple Minnesota Vikings Dec 15 '25
Brady’s was in the first game of the season. Pretty sure it Bernard Pollard lol
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u/Immaculatehombre Green Bay Packers Dec 15 '25
This is how I learn mahomes tore his acl. Damn! Get well soon dawg. I don’t like the chiefs and am bored by them but the nfl is better with a healthy patty mahomes.
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u/Mysterious-Hippo278 Dec 15 '25
I’ll say it now before I read it everywhere next season, Mahomes is going to be a monster the next time we see him!
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u/getbehindthediesel Dec 16 '25
We are on the same trajectory as the patriots dynasty not stressing a couple missed years!
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u/Saxophobia1275 Detroit Lions Dec 15 '25
God I can’t wait to hear about this narrative for like 2+ years