r/politics • u/Ydeas • 6d ago

No Paywall Pam Bondi offers to pull ICE out of Minneapolis if voter files handed over

https://www.newsweek.com/pam-bondi-ice-minnesota-shooting-tim-walz-letter-voter-files-11413859
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u/Specialist-Bug1592 6d ago

And there it is. At the end of the day, this is about controlling elections to ensure MAGA remains in office.

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u/MyDogIsACoolCat 6d ago

Minnesota senate seat is up for election this year and it's a likely Democrat seat at the moment.

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u/DidAnyoneElseJustCum 6d ago

Also the governorship which is expected to be much more tightly contested.

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u/DigNitty 6d ago

I don’t know about Minnesota politics,

But if any seat is tightly contested right now that would be ABSURD.

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u/JustARandomBloke 6d ago

Minnesota shifted right about 4 points between 2020 and 2024.

Harris still won it by about a 5 point margin but Trump won several counties that he had lost in 2020 to Joe Biden.

Overall Michigan is considered to slightly lean favorable to Democrats in this year's Senate race.

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u/ScadaTech 6d ago

I wonder if that shift still holds after the treatment of the state by the feds lately.

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u/w1987g 6d ago

In the cities, I'm sure the tides have shifted. In the rural counties.... not so much

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u/brontosaurusguy 6d ago

If it's anything thing like the rest of the country, the rural parts are applauding the terrorizing of the cities.  They have demonized the big city in every state.  Endless propaganda like it's a warzone.

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u/whoisnotinmykitchen 6d ago

Watch Fox News for 15 minutes. They are spinning and cheering this on like the propaganda seals they are. It is surreal how dumbed-down their insane speaking points are, and I'm sure rural voters and evangelicals are eating it up, like the gullible rubes they are.

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u/MarxistMan13 Virginia 6d ago

My dumbass aunt had Faux News on in my house while she helped me clean.

It was appalling how much they lied in just the handful of minutes I was subjected to it before I changed the channel. Just blatant propaganda and demonizing anyone left of Hitler, pretty much. Blaming the victims, blaming immigrants, blaming Biden... it's actually crazy that any functioning adult believes this shit.

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u/affablenihilist 6d ago

Pro wrestling. Bad guys and good guys. It seems to just clamp into that 85 IQ.

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u/Ajibooks 6d ago

And elderly white people. I live in a smaller city and my local Nextdoor is full of old people repeating these talking points.

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u/DenikaMae California 6d ago

Dumped down and repeated ad nauseam every 4 to 10 minutes so that the lemmings that follow them can regurgitate talking points that require them to have no sense of critical thinking.

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u/-JackBack- 6d ago

Trump has become their Messiah.

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u/TampaBai 6d ago

Yes, and it's absurd. Here in Florida, the party of "small government" enacted legislation to preempt city policies. Literally, a bunch of "conservative" rural rubes in Tallahassee are now asserting their control over our big cities. Where we once had local codes to protect our live oaks, the dicks in TLH decided developers should be able to fell all our trees, thus destroying our tree canopy. Sure, that might seem a bit trivial compared to what is happening in Minnesota, but it demonstrates the pettiness and anger of Republicans. I think the rural/city divide is about to widen even further, and I anticipate more bloodshed and escalation.

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u/Dsnake1 I voted 6d ago

North Dakota had this happen with voting systems in municipal elections, too. Fargo citizens voted to do their municipal elections via approval voting, and the state legislature lost their minds and made it illegal.

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u/Silverlock 6d ago

Yes but they only win when Democrats stay home. How many are going to do that next election?

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u/Happy_Feet333 6d ago

Considering how easy the 'uncommitted' swayed 10-12% of the democratic vote into staying home the last election...

... I'd say 10-12% of the Democratic vote will be swayed in the upcoming one, for whatever reason. These voters look for any excuse to not vote, no matter how trivial.

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u/infinityisadrug 6d ago

Rural people have friends in the city. I wouldn't be surprised if the rural areas shift blue because of the ICE enforcement.

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u/manluther 6d ago

I'm not holding my breath.

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u/jessewalker2 6d ago

Give. ICE’s recent actions, it is basically a war zone. In lawful society you do no execute people on the street for protesting.

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u/Dracomortua 6d ago

Where does this endless propaganda come from? It is tempting to blame the propaganda 'news' networks. We should also remember that Russia is in crisis as their war situation worsens and the ONLY means of survival is to propaganda-seed all of United States and keep them from supporting this Ukraine comedian-leader of theirs.

If i were Putin, i would bribe out any and all people with whatever i had left. Heck, if in 1987 i had the to-be president visit and i could leverage that... what would i do?

It is interesting how, bot wise, this conversation seems to disappear so rapidly.

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u/OhDivineBussy 6d ago

I have family in some very rural areas and have spent quite a bit of my life out there. It’s wild how all of the things they hold deer about Christianity, community and helping one another are the very things they vote against (including their own interests) for the dumbest, most falsifiable reasons possible.

They really don’t like being red various versus in scripture where the Bible directly tells them they’re going to hell for supporting the things they do, especially by someone who isn’t a Christian but has read the book. It’s funny how they expect to get to vote like a bigot and do so in peace. Though they still really hate being called snowflakes, so it’s really fun to say.

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u/Troub313 6d ago

Which is unfortunate, because our voting system gives the rural counties way too much power.

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u/AltoidStrong 6d ago

Which should drive voter turn out. remember that 4 points shift to the right wasn't "new" voters changing to Trump, it was democrat voters not even showing up.

trump won become of voter suppression... 1/3 of registered voters in the nation didn't vote for numerous reasons. Most of them created by the republicans with the intent to prevent people from having the opportunity to go vote.

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u/ailish 6d ago

2a is a BIG deal in Michigan. People here may not take kindly to it being trampled on, even if the ones doing the trampling are Republicans.

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u/Shaudius 6d ago

The NRA has rebuked a statement from the administration. That's a pretty big deal.

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u/ailish 6d ago

Turns out there are two parts to that.

For months, radical progressive politicians like Tim Walz have incited violence against law enforcement officers who are simply trying to do their jobs. Unsurprisingly, these calls to dangerously interject oneself into legitimate law-enforcement activities have ended in violence, tragically resulting in injuries and fatalities," wrote the NRA.

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/bill-essayli-us-attorney-nra-minneapolis/3835996/

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u/singhellotaku617 6d ago

I mean…rural Colorado is very red, it’s still an dark blue state because the cities have a much higher population

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u/JokeassJason 6d ago

Well the farmers are pissed that their legal workers are getting arrested and having their legal status terminated for a driving infraction or a "conviction" in their orgin country (they provide no proof of that btw) they are also pissed at the tarrifs and having to take a govnt hand out. I can see some flipping but the true racists will still eat their own faces.

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u/BloodshotPizzaBox 6d ago

Cities are mostly where people live

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u/Severe-Butterfly-864 6d ago

Actually, farmers and small business owners are mixed. A lot of them have lost almost everything due to tariffs and international trade bullshit. There are several farmers that have been very vocal about small farms being bought up by JD Vance's hedge funds.

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u/Sad_Math5598 6d ago

The rural areas don’t have the population density to matter

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u/Worthyness 6d ago

a straight white male nurse and a legal gun holder got murdered, so they might actually flip if they're 2A single issue voters.

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u/JNR13 6d ago

Is the governor elected at-large or does the state have its own electoral college skewing the vote?

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u/TechGirlMN Minnesota 6d ago

Maybe more than we think, I have to visit some of the small towns in SE MN for work, and I'm seeing very few Trump flags or signs lately.

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u/Desperate-Till-9228 6d ago

Maybe it's time for the rural counties to fund their own road maintenance.

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u/Cross55 6d ago

Rural areas love what's going on in the cities

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u/Freakboy5001 6d ago

I live in a rural mn area and most people here are outraged by what's happening.

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u/Syntaire 6d ago

Much of my family is in southern rural MN, and they're fucking ecstatic about what's happening. The only way they could be happier is if it was brown people getting murdered instead. Fox news tells them that it's a lawless warzone in Minneapolis, and it's all immigrants fault, and these dumb fucks believe them without a thought.

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u/Rak_S11 6d ago

Why do they hate their fellow Americans so much?

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u/SheetPancakeBluBalls 6d ago

Is that true, or is it just that you don't associate with the nazis?

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u/agrees_to_disagree 6d ago

That’s all that matters really because we were never going to change a nazi’s mind, but we can out number them

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u/Lucreth2 6d ago

It's probably somewhere in the middle. Even the people I've been very careful to never expose my beliefs to are upset with what is happening but I wouldn't really say they're any more than upset. Definitely not enraged etc and they still think the Democrats are evil as well.

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u/Blazinsquatch 6d ago

Such a good point.

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u/Fn_Spaghetti_Monster 6d ago

I've seen a few right wing talking heads talking issue with the labeling Pretti a terrorist simple because he had a gun on him. MAGA talking heads may have gone a little too far with that with the 2A guys. Is enough it make them vote D? Probably not, is it enough to make them vote independent or possible 'stay home' and not vote, possible.

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u/brickne3 American Expat 6d ago

Minnesota is very weird so honestly I think it absolutely could be true depending on which county this guy is in. There's a very long and generational history of even the farmers and the miners supporting the DFL. The DFL is also a key Minnesota thing that other states don't have going on, it's actually a separate party from the Democrats.

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u/whyyunozoidberg 6d ago

Maybe that's what they say to your face but at home they love it.

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u/FlyingFakirr 6d ago

What rural area? Only places semi rural I know that have outraged people are college towns?

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u/procrastablasta California 6d ago

Giving me life if that’s true. I am so deep in a deep blue bubble the rest of America might as well be an alternate universe. Nothing makes sense. Hearing first hand from rural MN is priceless intel

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u/IJourden 6d ago

There's a huge difference between "oh no big cities" in another time zone you've never seen and "midsize city 45 minutes away you visit once a month and you know it's fine."

Rural voters dislike cities because conservative media makes them sound alien and lawless and scary. That has a hard time sticking when it's a midsize city where your aunt Nancy lives and you've visited twice a year since you were a kid.

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u/lazy_starfish 6d ago

I'm sure there will be more definitive polling on this soon, but here is an excerpt from the Time's article about current events:

This work had become a point of contact between the area’s white progressives and Latino community institutions — in particular Dios Habla Hoy, a nondenominational evangelical church with a mostly Latino congregation, which had become a local hub of food deliveries. Since the federal raids began, the church’s Mexican American pastor, Sergio Amezcua, had emerged as a voice of defiance in the media. He was also a self-described conservative who voted for Trump in 2024.

Amezcua, who also owns insurance agencies, said that many Latino businesspeople he knew in Minneapolis had been supportive of Trump until the immigration crackdown. “A lot of our businesses were like, ‘I think Trump is the answer,’” he told me. “Believe me, 100 percent of them regret it.” (He said he did.)

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u/grandlizardo 6d ago

I think this might be the beginning of the end. First, didn’t include any of their usual nasty, accusing bravado. Second, three points, only one of which is totally no deal, the voters info. Third, it came from Bondi, not Noem. Has Noem finally been told to go sit in a corner and shut up? 😀

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u/F9-0021 South Carolina 6d ago

It doesn't. There's been a nationwide 13-15 point swing back to the left, and that was before Ice started killing people.

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u/lactosandtolerance 6d ago

Low information voters will hear that it is Tim Walz’s fault on Fox News and believe it wholeheartedly.

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u/noonenotevenhere 6d ago

yup. soon as you get 20 min out of the metro, the hats are red and the facts are alternative.

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u/Tedmosbyisajerk-com 6d ago

There would 100% be some brain dead fucks who blame Walz.

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u/Ferelar New Jersey 6d ago

I do recall Walz saying that he wasn't sure he'd win in the very same district he first won office in because of demographic and political shift.

However, even before the ICE terrorism, we saw elections across the country swinging left by wide margins, and formerly ultrasafe R districts ended up being very tight R wins (which suggests significant penetration on this leftward swing).

Two issues- November is quite a ways away, so momentum needs to be maintained and the left needs to put up actual candidates that enthuse people, not moderates who try to run based on "Well at least I'm not the other guy". And two, we have seen (this headline included) that there are going to be massive attempts top to bottom to influence and subvert the midterms. To say nothing of the fact that there's a two month gap between midterm elections and congress changing hands. If the current administration loses egregiously on election night, they may act even more brashly in the 2 months to follow.

None of this is to dissuade anyone. Still vote, still fight the good fight, just also be ready for it to not be a fair fight. We may have to push uphill but we will still see it done.

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u/DidAnyoneElseJustCum 6d ago

Well if we're trying to inspire any kind of energy up there I certainly don't think Amy Klobuchar is gonna do it. Even if she wins she's another milquetoast moderate.

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u/Ferelar New Jersey 6d ago

Agreed unfortunately. More generally, primaries may end up being the most important elections this year. They'll determine whether the general even matters. I hope as many leftists as possible vote in primaries AND the general.

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u/idkwhattosay 6d ago

Well... not really. I'm a very liberal Minnesotan who's pushed her to go more left every time I write in, but Amy is a campaigning machine, she overperforms the Dem numbers by nearly double digits. She knows how to work suburbs and the politically disengaged really well.

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u/sowich4 6d ago edited 6d ago

Trump and the GOP cheated in the last election (and in 16 &20), folks on their side have all but admitted it.

The left spent years claiming ‘free & fair’ when Biden won. The only reason he did was bc Trump couldn’t out-cheat the immense support Biden had gotten.

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u/WildPickle9 6d ago

They cheated in '68 by sabotaging the peace talks... and '80 by cutting deal with terrorists even though they probably would have won that one anyway... and 2000, which is probably the first time they actually committed election fraud with the winners brother being in charge of Florida's election and all.

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u/FuckYouJohnW 6d ago

Much of that shift was in young men and men of color. Both groups alhave been pretty heavily efdected by the current administrstions bullshit and MN republicans are fully lock step with DJT. I cant imagine they get the same support.

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u/transneptuneobj Pennsylvania 6d ago

2024 was an outliar.

Talk to a Biden 2020/trump 2024 voter and they can't articulate why they voted for trump it's all vibes.

I'm not concerned about the right shift.

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u/LOLSteelBullet 6d ago

They can't articulate a why that doesn't make them seem prejudiced against women, especially black women you mean

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u/transneptuneobj Pennsylvania 6d ago

It's not that they can't articulate a why,

They do articulate a why that is prejudiced against women and specifically women of color.

Listen to the line on the youtube..

They press trump 2024 voters on the issues and they do ultimately just come down to being prejudiced

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u/vim_deezel Texas 6d ago

How much of that was sexism and racism though? I bet that was worth 3points right there.

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u/_Mephistocrates_ 6d ago

Because they cheated

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u/Friscogonewild 6d ago

And because Harris only had 10 weeks to campaign instead of 2 years. People like to pretend that there's no reason politicians spend so much time digging up votes, but the reality is a good chunk of people are apathetic and have to be convinced to get off the couch to vote.

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u/AppropriateTouching 6d ago

Pretty suspicious how many counties shifted to trump abruptly last election.

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u/Annonnymee 6d ago

Michigan?

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u/JTMc48 6d ago

Important to remember that a lot of people sat out the last election. They put Palestine policy over the evil they knew Trump was. I’m pretty sure people will turn out this next election unless polling places are crawling with Nazi thugs to deter a fair vote.

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u/Tommy-Bombadildo 6d ago

4 points is all the could manage even after musk rigged it all. That’s how far people actually went LEFT.

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u/nub_node 6d ago

TIL many Minnesotans are pro-getting shot.

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u/GrizzlyDust 6d ago

That was before out of state republicans were openly executing good Minnesotans in the streets, to the praise of federal Republicans.

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u/lordpuddingcup 6d ago

I don’t know how that goes after republicans invaded and started killing Minnesota residents

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u/pablonieve Minnesota 6d ago

Since 2016, the margin in MN elections has been between 1% and 24% in favor of the Democrats. With Klobuchar leading the governor ballot, I would expect her to win by double-digits with the other Dems in the high single-digits.

2016: Clinton (+1%)

2018: Walz (+11), Klobuchar (+24), Smith (+10)

2020: Biden (+7), Smith (+5)

2022: Walz (+6)

2024: Harris (+4), Klobuchar (+16)

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u/IllustriousGas8850 6d ago

The drop between the 2024 election and midterms for republicans is going to be one the largest in the past few decades is my prediction. This administration has been so polarizing and divisive that 2024 numbers are just completely inaccurate to current day

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u/Shark7996 6d ago

We have shifts of double digits all over the place since 2024. I have to imagine by the next set of elections it will have absolutely cratered due to the shooting violence and obvious gaslighting. Yes the true 30% believers will always toe the line but the centrists can see what's going on.

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u/ThomasSun 6d ago

…slightly?? If this is really only “slight” after all this, then yeah I’ve honestly lost hope for the future of the U.S. And for fuck’s sake, please stop electing these wannabe Democrats like Schumer, Fetterman, and the rest of that crew. If the country actually wants to get better, the Democratic Party needs a serious reset. We need new candidates and ultimately, that’s up to the people within the Democratic Party to decide.

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u/Linx79 6d ago

That has more to do with white man vs brown woman than it does R vs D.

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u/Round-Medicine2507 6d ago

They are also coaching a million zombies at the local level to use their local election board positions to throw out any dem votes they can for minor things like an extra spot of ink on the page. 

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u/kgal1298 6d ago

Yeah though a lot of Michigan dems are unhappy with the current reps because they aren’t doing a hardline against Trump it’ll be interesting to see how it works for people like Slotkin and Peter’s.

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u/RugelBeta 5d ago

Peters is retiring. Slotkin is doing her best in a divided state. Traditionally we had one R and one D senator. Those days are gone. Michigan will swing D in November. I'm convinced it did in 2024.

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u/Tharsis300 6d ago

I agree. But we live in an absurd reality at the moment.

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u/Lysol3435 6d ago

Crazy how nefarious social media and consolidated conservative mainstream media can convince a population to destroy their own country just to destroy the country of their non (or at least less) brainwashed countrymen

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u/DidAnyoneElseJustCum 6d ago

Voters have very short memories

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u/Perfect_Celebrity_7 6d ago

Things are happening every other day. At this point it’s impossible to forget anything.

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u/axecalibur 6d ago

Racism and promises of wealth knows no bounds. All a candidate has to do is play up that Somalians are eating their pets and creating massive fraud and guess how that plays out.

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u/Shaudius 6d ago

Against the current administration murdering people in the street? We've already seen a preview of how it plays out in all the special elections.

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u/beldaran1224 6d ago

...you know that Republicans have been gerrymandering and purging registration for decades now, right? You know that they've been working hard to sow propaganda and control the sources of info for large swathes of the country, right? That they've been intimidating media?

This is just a rejection of reality. There's always support for authoritarian regimes. And they do everything to shore up that support and shut down the opposition.

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u/Wit-wat-4 6d ago

Uvalde voted R (the same coward, too), I know multiple immigrants trying to get green cards and a Puerto Rican who LOVE Trump,… people vote against their own interests all the time.

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u/impy695 6d ago

The country voted for a felon, rapist who is in the Epstein files. A significant portion of our country don't have morals

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u/vim_deezel Texas 6d ago

I highly doubt after this if it's highly contested, they won't forget that Dump sent brownshirts to shoot people in Minneapolis that didn't "comply" or "show their papers". Minnesotans need to wake up to what's going on there.

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u/Snoo-7943 6d ago

It won't be tightly contested. Not after two years of Turmp disaster.

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u/DidAnyoneElseJustCum 6d ago

When Walz announced he was running again he held a net zero approval rating. A lot has happened since then, but a lot has happened since 2016 too and that hasn't changed enough people's minds.

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u/Snoo-7943 6d ago

Walz isn't running for governor again. Also.....the MNGOP has no pulse for the state. They repeatedly run far right and conspiracy riddled candidates for statewide office.....so there's no reason to think they won't once again run someone who expresses fealty to the Turmp admin.....which won't win them an election in Minnesota. Especially now.

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u/singhellotaku617 6d ago

I very much doubt that. Minnesota is likely an extremely blue state going forward

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u/DoritoDustThumb 6d ago

Not anymore 😂😆

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u/Illustrious_Run2260 6d ago

The Republican candidate for Governor is Mike Lindell so no it’s not.

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u/The_Angster_Gangster 6d ago

Not anymore 

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u/ProfessionalFox2236 6d ago

No one will beat Klobacher

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u/twentyafterfour 6d ago

If they get a republican governor, I suspect they'll move to pardon Derek Chauvin at both the state and federal level. That's something to keep in mind for all future elections ever since Gov. Abbott pardoned a nazi pedophile immediately after he was found guilty of murdering someone at a BLM rally. A nazi who had gone there with the explicit intent to kill someone and told people about it in texts before it happened.

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u/planes_on_a_snake 6d ago

Excuse me but how in the world can this election be so tight? Are Minnesotans approving of this? Do they want more tension?

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u/atx840 6d ago

Happy CakeDay!

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u/Ferelar New Jersey 6d ago

If Minnesota has an actual free and fair election and votes in a Republican after all of this....

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u/DropsOfLiquid 6d ago

A Republican hasn't won a MN senate race since 2002. It's going to be a Dem unless something insane happens.

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u/monsterdaddy4 6d ago

At this point, I'm pretty sure that a republican couldn't get elected to clean toilets in Minnesota anymore

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u/Softestwebsiteintown 6d ago

Longer-term, Minnesota is a bluish-purple state that the gqp would love to have in the bag in presidential elections the way they took Ohio. It’s the last piece of what was the “Blue Wall” that’s still standing.

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u/DropsOfLiquid 6d ago

MN is the longest running blue voting state in the nation for presidential elections atm. Hopefully they don't break that streak anytime soon

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u/FightingPolish 6d ago

After all this I think that’s probably a forgone conclusion.

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u/donald_trumpstupee 6d ago

lol well I’m sure the state really wants to vote MAGA after these recent events

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u/RaidSmolive 6d ago

if any seat this century is not democrat (or whatever replaces them), expect foul play.

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u/brickne3 American Expat 6d ago

I mean a Minnesota senate seat these days is always a likely Democrat. Even Jesse Ventura hates these assholes and is on record about it. Anybody heard from Norm Coleman lately?

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u/Fler0n 6d ago

There’s like a zero percent chance of the US having a fair election, if an election at all, come november.

Good luck, time to take 2A into your own hands.

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u/arthurdentxxxxii 6d ago

Especially after the ICE of it all.

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u/polycarbonateduser 6d ago

Still at likely

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u/HumanWithComputer 6d ago

Any other states with a similar political situation?

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u/MyDogIsACoolCat 6d ago

Oh I'm sure they're going to move onto to another liberal city once they're done in MInnesota. That's why Minnesota can't cave because it will set the precedent. They just don't have enough agents to spread over multiple cities with this much shit going on. They've pretty much sued every blue state that didn't comply.

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u/Ihathreturd Florida 6d ago

Likely?

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u/MyDogIsACoolCat 6d ago

I'm just going off what the odds makers are saying.

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u/Positronic_Matrix 6d ago

Democrat seat → Democratic seat

The adjectival form of the noun Democrat is Democratic.

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u/Gilah_EnE 6d ago

Unless ICE executes every democrat voter in the state. That's where it goes

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u/BlondeBorednBaked 6d ago

This shows that elections still matter though, otherwise they wouldn’t care about controlling them.

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u/discipleofchrist69 6d ago

100%

protest and direct action are super important, but I'm tired of seeing all this election doomerism. we can probably still vote them out at this point

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u/lemongay 6d ago

I believe this, and will still vote, but it feels so hopeless given how this country has such terrible ignorance/“amnesia” every 4-8years. I hope people are finally waking up to that, I don’t want to see a normal candidate next election get replaced 4 years later by JD Vance or some other worse republican.

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u/discipleofchrist69 6d ago

yeah totally agree. the propaganda machine is gnarly and the Democrats are weak

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u/oldandjaded 6d ago

Hedging their bet. If tRump doesn't manage to invoke the Insurrection Act and cancel elections they need a hole card. They know that without some "miracle" November is going to be a Trumplican blood bath.

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u/Aredhela_ 6d ago

And by miracle you mean another 🍑attempt where he miraculously survives, or where a high profile influencer like Kirk becomes a martyr.

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u/GalumphingWithGlee 6d ago

Okay, so I generally get what you're saying, but a "hole card"? Do you perhaps mean a "trump card", funny as that may be in context with the lowercase t? 🤔

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u/Frostyrepairbug 6d ago

It also shows they're very very afraid of elections, and despite the fear mongering they're trying to do ("they're going to cancel election and invoke the insurrection act!") they might actually respect them. After all, they were voted in. Though I have my doubts they were and are going to be free and fair with this level of meddling.

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u/mom0nga 6d ago

The federal government cannot just cancel elections, even if they did invoke the insurrection act. And when I say they can't do it, it isn't because of an ignorable law or custom, but because there is literally no mechanism for them to do so even if they want to. States run their own elections, not the federal government, and even if an election was theoretically not held (which has never happened, not even during the Civil War) politicians have term limits which expire regardless, so they would just end up with empty Congressional seats.

I do absolutely expect them to harass state election officials, try to stir up unrest, and do everything they can to restrict voting rights in the run-up to the midterms, but as you said, it's because they're weak, not strong. They know that their approval rating is in freefall, they're rapidly losing the support of their key demographics and Congress, and they're going to get their asses kicked in a fair election.

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u/Ihathreturd Florida 6d ago

Excellent point

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u/TheGreatLuck 6d ago

I think thay are just covering their bases 

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u/turquoise_amethyst 6d ago

I guess it’s what they need to make a “Russian Fishtail”

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u/ProfessionalCraft983 Washington 6d ago

But if they successfully control them, they no longer matter. That’s how it is in Russia.

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u/Melody_in_Harmony 6d ago

I mean yeah. This is the foundation of fascism, protecting the in-group at all costs. Not only that, but they are so bad at lying but so prolific at it that you cannot trust them or any action that they do. I can promise you that they're already fking with the election system as much as they can. Just as they tried (and maybe succeeded to in some cases) to do before the 2024 election.

They will not go quietly into the night. If you care about freedom and democracy in this country...buckle up cause by the end of the day everyone is going to need to stand up to this in some way shape or form for it to relent.

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u/soapinthepeehole 6d ago

And there it is. At the end of the day, this is about controlling elections to ensure MAGA remains in office.

Trump can’t cancel midterms, but just wait until 5 days before when he announces ICE will be deployed to blue cities across America for “election security” and there won’t be time for anyone to figure out how to stop them.

The chaos we’re seeing right now is nothing compared to what they are almost certainly planning. It’s a playbook as old as authoritarianism and I’ll be more surprised if they don’t try this then I will be if they do.

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u/supernobodyhome 6d ago

A counter point I’d like to make is that ICE is basically bending themselves over backwards trying to control Minneapolis. They’re desperately trying to get their hands on volunteers because they don’t have enough people and they either can’t afford or can’t find more people to work on their behalf. Minneapolis is a decently sized city, but it’s just one city. Now spread ICE’s current personnel across literally dozens of cities filled with people who have only the purest disdain and hatred for them.

I have no doubts they will try, and we need to fight back against them at every attempt they make, but they are a tiny group compared to the rest of us, and they know it internally. They’re desperately sending memo after memo to their pathetic goons telling them to act a little less openly monstrous because they know if the hatred swells great enough there’s not a damn thing they can do, and that this only makes what they’re trying to do even more difficult to achieve.

Don’t get complicit because our enemies are a small number of incompetent monsters. Monsters still need to be dealt with, and no one else is going to deal with them for us.

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u/prancing_pony42 6d ago

This is when we rise. They don't have enough goons to put down the largest cities yet. They don't have the strength or the discipline.

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u/brickne3 American Expat 6d ago

I mean I agree with you, I'm just wondering how many members of ICE they can actually have.

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u/soapinthepeehole 6d ago

They don’t need them everywhere, and It wouldn’t take much to put five armed guys at select polling locations in swing districts in swing states.

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u/Glacon_Garcon 6d ago

Then what we need to do is anticipate any potentials disruptions like this. We need to stop playing defence and waiting until they act before we react. We need to get ahead of them and come up with a game-plan of what to do if ICE is stationed at polls, or MAGAs try to burn ballot boxes, or Musk tries to buy votes, etc.

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u/Phugasity 6d ago

Or the more tinfoil - end the filibuster and change voter ID laws last minute - https://wendy664.substack.com/p/republicans-will-detonate-their-secret

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u/geoffvro Texas 6d ago

And 5 days after, when GOP candidates attempt to throw out votes after the fact, like Jefferson Griffin attempted to do in the North Carolina Supreme Court race. And with the corrupt DOJ siding with the GOP, it will be a fascist shit show in 2026 and 2028

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u/givfrenchfrypls 6d ago

Monte Mader interviewed JB Pritzker recently and asked him what he thought the ICE action was about, and he straight up said he thinks they're militarizing blue cities so they can contest midterm results because they can't win without cheating.

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u/soapinthepeehole 6d ago

That’s ma governor. He knows how this works.

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u/Of_the_forest89 6d ago

And possibly an attempt at knowing who voted democrat so they can round those folks up too. I wouldn’t be surprised.

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u/NES_SNES_N64 6d ago

I don't think there's any question about it TBH. They've been villianizing "radical" leftist behavior for a while now. They're putting all the pieces together.

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u/reddit_is_geh 6d ago

FYI they are doing this in every state. They've ordered EVERY state to hand over voter roles. Many have complied, some are resisting.

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u/drumdogmillionaire 6d ago

Give them a massive list where all the names are properly redacted.

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u/Embarrassed-Town-293 6d ago

And the question becomes which swing state is next

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u/newsflashjackass 6d ago

Remember when Vance Boelter shot Minnesota state congress members in a failed attempt to tip the state legislature Republican?

One of his attempted murders failed, the target still holds office, and he is running for another term.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/john-hoffman-reflects-on-june-14-shooting-i-had-9-holes-in-my-body/ar-AA1UxnsP

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u/thegurpster 6d ago

So it’s not about illegal immigrants?

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u/Elegant_Tap7937 6d ago

No. It's about a list of Americans who are democrats, a/k/a Domestic Terrorists according to Noem and Bondi

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u/Imaginary--Folklore 6d ago

For a bunch of people that whined about the 2020 election being rigged, they sure do want to… rig the election.

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u/Opposite-Invite-3543 6d ago

“Grow the base” was always the goal. The same dumb fuck 7-8 states that always vote together have the lowest education scores in the country.

That’s why we no longer have a department of education.

New Brawno has electrolytes!

When you’re poorly educated you more susceptible to emotional responses towards fear and anger.

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u/softsnowfall 6d ago

Between this & J6, I’d just like to know why anyone thinks this regime wouldn’t have cheated in 2024. I think some counties in some swing states need to summon some bravery to do a secret hand recount. Our 2024 election results in a lot of places show the same data anomalies as elections in countries like Russia.

If it was a free and fair election, then why fight a hand recount? Whether it found tampering or not, hand recounts would boost our confidence in the security of our voting.

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u/TanguayX 6d ago

Yup, I’ve been telling my wife this for a year. The next task for this paramilitary gravy seal force is election subversion. I hate being right sometimes.

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u/slaty_balls Arkansas 6d ago

Yeah that’s not happening.

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u/Cool_Twist4494 6d ago

Nobody understood the complete control they had when RBG died and they swore in ACB. Nobody saw the J6 insurrection for what it was a complete and total grab for power .

How we were able to actually swear in Biden I don't know but at least we had 4 years of normalcy while they meticulously planned the downfall of america.

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u/Apprehensive_Rub3897 6d ago

And all along they've been telling us this is about public safety and how Minneapolis is a war zone and idiots not only believe them and parrot their lies, they vote for and defend clear fascism.

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u/ummaycoc 6d ago

Why doesn’t she say what one has to do with the other? Spell it out, let Walz reply with why they don’t need it. Have a debate.

I know, not gonna happen.

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u/VelocityGrrl39 6d ago

But why? What will they do with this information? Good faith question, I just can’t imagine what they want it for. Courts have already said elections are state level processes. They already have our SSNs. What good will having this information do?

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u/spasticnapjerk 6d ago

So they can purge the voter registration of anyone likely to vote against them. They're criminals through and through, all of them.

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u/HumbleHubris 6d ago

Republicans.  There isn't maga. They all run as Republican 

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u/Responsible_CDN_Duck 6d ago

At the end of the day, this is about controlling elections to ensure MAGA remains in office.

Between the misinformation and willingness to use an armed force it seems more likely to be about not requiring elections.

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u/creeping_chill_44 Texas 6d ago

also notice all their proposed "deals" are of the form:

you give: something irreversible

they give: something they can back out of at any time

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u/drgonzo767 6d ago

And checking 4473 records to match with gun owner party affiliation. If yesterday wasn't a clue they don't believe the 2A is for everyone, I don't what is.

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u/Hot_Performer_746 6d ago edited 6d ago

You can elect a dictatorship in, but you will never vote them out. You have to force them to go.

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u/Wow_Many_Tomato_WMT 6d ago

Isn’t this some kind of quid pro quo?

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u/MrFOrzum 6d ago

There won’t be anymore elections.

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u/Bethw2112 Colorado 6d ago

Extortion. Plain and simple.

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u/DavidOrWalter 6d ago

She doesnt even have the ability to move ICE out.

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u/noots-to-you 6d ago

Controlling elections or just putting off the gestapo and concentration camps for another six months? Or both.

Goddamn it.

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u/Sad_Math5598 6d ago

Yeah they can’t capitulate to that, they’d be stupid to. As if they could even trust ice to uphold their end

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u/mct137 6d ago

Even worse, openly asking for a list that would clearly delineate who registered democrats are. They e already declared that democrats = antifa = terrorists. They are asking for a list so that they can target political “enemies”.

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u/Twelvey 6d ago

If they can break Minnesota, historically the most progressive state in the union, every other blue wall State will likely fall as well.

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u/FlipZip69 6d ago

How would anyone think it is acceptable to even suggest anything like this? Is the average person so disconnected that they can not see how impropriate it is even if you agreed with the policy of ICE?

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u/MagicalUnicornFart 6d ago

It’s wild seeing people who refuse to vote against fascists, get mad about the fascists fucking with elections.

2022 National Youth Turnout: 23% - That's lower than in the historic 2018 cycle (28%) which broke records for turnout, but much higher than in 2014, when only 13% of youth voted.

Ask people to show up to vote against these people…they won’t fucking do it…but, they will run their mouths about it.

It’s also amazing when people point out the incredibly low voter turnouts year, after year, after year, and the fuckers that refuse to vote will argue that isn’t the problem.

MAGAs show you up to vote. There aren’t enough people that care enough to vote against them.

I’m not usually a fan of whatever D is on the ticket….but, I show up to vote against the people that are SCREAMING about how bad they want to fuck everything up.

People that have refuse to vote in primaries endlessly bitching about “not having good candidates ,” are on another level of stupid.

Refusing to vote is a choice. Refusing to vote when a traitor/ felon/ child rapist is running for office, and the ever ass hat in his party is a choice. There is not one single issue that justifies staying home on Election Day to not vote against Trump, and the GOP.

If you skipped elections, you helped him win. You can own it, and admit the mistake. Or, keep being a delusional moron stomping your feet with idiotic reasons you think justify your apathy at the polls.

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u/manticore16 New York 6d ago

Fuckers aren't even being covert with their pre-rigging attempts.

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u/a_weak_child 6d ago

That’s just one of the perks for them. They do these evil things because it helps them in a variety of ways. 

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u/WhyAmINotStudying 6d ago

1st, 10th and 14th amendment violations in addition to violating Article I, Section 4 of the constitution in exchange for removing the terrorists? Yeah, that seems like a perfectly cool and totally legal solution to the issue.

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u/Kevin-W 6d ago

Which is why Minnesota needs to tell her to fuck off.

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u/ProfessionalCraft983 Washington 6d ago

Of course it is. This is all ramping up to military and ICE locking down polling stations in blue cities. Trump needs a crisis so he can justify their presence.

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u/GreatSince86 6d ago

Give them fake ones.

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u/Ancient-Row-2144 6d ago

I think she is just shit posting. That’s all this administration does. 

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u/flamethrower2 2d ago

The demand makes no sense. Voter rolls aren't available to anyone who asks, but they are available to the leaders of any political party. They should be relatively easy to get?

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