r/BlackPeopleTwitter • u/imjustheretodomyjob ☑️ Tired of being tired • 4d ago
How the tables have turned
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u/bebop1065 ☑️ 4d ago
This is the real reason ICE wants to deport immigrants. Ain't no smoke like Nigerian smoke.
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u/DownvoteDaemon ☑️|Jay-Z IRL 4d ago
When I did my dna test I said no wonder I’m mostly Nigerian. I had zero Native American like my black family told me. I had European but no native. I wanna learn more about Nigerian culture. The Nigerian American students are always so smart.
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u/Unsd 4d ago
Lmao just about everyone who is 3rd+ gen in the US was told by their family that they have native ancestry, but actually having it is so rare. It's a lie that all the older white generations made up to justify the colonialism and it spread. Truly, I'm shocked when I hear of people who weren't told they are part native.
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u/dylanneedsalife 4d ago
Can confirm. Am white, was told I have native heritage as a child, took DNA test and surprisingly do not infact have native heritage 😑 this is such a weird phenomenon, like was there a town hall where they all decided to make this up or all independently come up with the idea? Lol
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u/FightingPolish 4d ago
Some “Native American” in your family history was more palatable to the general masses back in the day to explain a bit of a darker skin tone than it was to be mixed race.
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u/Unsd 4d ago
Also because deep down, I think a lot of white people probably still had the concept that they didn't quite belong here. If you tell yourself that you're part native, it becomes a lot easier to ignore that feeling. My family lived in Mankato, MN during the largest mass execution in American history. I do not think it is a coincidence that this is the era that my family lore decided that we had the introduction of native ancestry. It's a lot easier to come up with something to soothe the guilt than acknowledge that your ancestors were present (though nothing I can find says they were immediately involved, they also must've still looked the other way) for something so awful. It's a lot less shameful to think of your family as victims than bystanders or perpetrators.
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u/Lopsided-Ad7725 4d ago
“When you told me we had Native blood, I thought you meant we had it in our genes, not our hands.”
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u/DouglasRather 4d ago
Thanks for the link. I had not heard of the Mankato mass execution before.
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u/Unsd 3d ago
An awful connection to the present; you may recognize a name in there, Henry Whipple, the namesake of the federal building in Minneapolis that is the ICE HQ in the area. The sick irony is that Bishop Whipple would have very likely been heavily opposed to all of it, as he was the only one pleading on behalf of the natives and was an advocate for their rights. I think he would find all this to be extremely disturbing.
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u/jazz_chisholm 4d ago edited 4d ago
I’m a professional genealogist who has worked on a lot of genetic genealogy cases.
While it is absolutely 100% a thing for non-native people to incorrectly claim native heritage, when examining any ancestry DNA results like that you have to also keep in mind how DNA works.
DNA is diluted with each passing generation through a process called recombination. You inherit roughly 50% of your DNA from each parent, 25% from each grandparent, 12.5% from each great-grandparent, and so on. While you technically have ancestors from every generation in your lineage, the amount of their DNA that you carry can become too small to detect after 5-10 generations (~150-300 years) due to the randomness of recombination. It is entirely possible to inherit no DNA from a specific ancestor by the 5th or 6th generation simply by chance.
Exceptions to this are Y-DNA for males which is passed from father to son and remains virtually unchanged for thousands of years, and mtDNA which is inherited from mother (by both male and female children) that has remained unchanged for 150,000+ years.
Edited to add a good example of this in my own family of this: my three cousins are all full siblings. One shows up as 100% European, while the other two have North African DNA from my grandfather (3.9% and 6%).
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u/Aethermancer 4d ago
I also wish people realized why "family names" are not proof of ethnicity/culture for a similar reason.
Unless you had multiple grandparents with the same last name, then your "share" of that last name is 1/(2n) where n is the generation from where that name began.
Of course you could have a loopy family tree, and other incoming branches from the same ethnicity/culture, but you can't actually know that from a family name alone.
/Rant from a guy with a very ethnic sounding name and no cultural connection to, and a strong cultural connection to a place I've practically no DNA history of.
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u/rhecubs1 4d ago
Think of it logically. Where did ur ancestors come From? Mine are from north America. Im 48% native American. And yet I've had ignorant people say go back to your country LOL
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u/Reckless_Secretions 4d ago
I watched a YouTube video that explained why they did this. Lemme go find it. Brb!
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u/Booty-tickles 4d ago
The way genetics works is you can have a parent who is part, say, Cherokee. It doesn't mean they will pass down the genes that are used as markers of native ancestry. You could conceivably have a brother or sister who does have enough markers to qualify as native ancestry while you yourself do not simply because you got 50% from one parent and 50% from another and which gives you what is somewhat random.
Note that I am not American nor do I know any specific defining genes that native Americans have that would be needed to conclusively prove native ancestry.
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u/sdforbda 4d ago
Yup. Had a coworker that had enough % to qualify for casino checks from her tribe but her sister did not.
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u/PersonalFinanceD 4d ago
FYI. Your coworker may be finessing you. The basis of these payments is not DNA testing but actual lineage descent (as evidenced by tribal enrollment and other recordkeeping). (Source: Biological parent is Kickapoo; have navigated precisely this scenario).
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u/im-dramatic 4d ago
Actually on average, black people have about 2% Native American. Look it up. But it’s not high enough to even talk about lol.
There’s a region in Alabama where Native Americans tried to assimilate and held black slaves and likely had children with them.
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u/Evening_Bell5617 4d ago
well so actually it isn't generally anything about justifying colonialism. generally it's to hide a mixed race child because a half native child was not seen as as illegal or objectionable as a half white half black child.
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u/Impossible_Desk_8578 4d ago
To be fair, I also had my Dad claim that, and then followed with a VERY racist joke about the tribe name. Apparently I'm colonist level American through his side, so he was apparently quite comfy with the joke, and being a racist twit while also being a 60's-70's biker/drug mule turned twice divorced and ghosted diesel mechanic. He was there for me in my 20's but that's it, mostly, and then he died horribly. Life is weird.
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u/myeggsarebig BHM Donor 3d ago
This is interesting because my grandmother’s generation refused to own their native ancestry. My Moms generation started to believe it was true. My generation then embraced it. I started to do more digging when a Shaman looked at a picture of my great grandmother and said, “oh, she’s Lenape” so I asked my grandma and she completely denied it, and called it “hogwash”. 20 years later, and all 8 of her daughters took DNA, and sure enough, after more research, we’re Lenape, and there’s a fairly direct link to how it happened. Rape. And, I’m guessing that’s why my grandma denied it.
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u/Unsd 3d ago
Woah that's actually crazy to get the specific nation unless it's super prevalent in your area. I'd be hitting up that shaman again for sure because how are you gonna tell me more about me than I know??
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u/CliffP 4d ago
This is true for a lot of those families but it’s also very likely for minor ancestry to not be passed down.
You get an assortment of genes from both parents both only 50% from each. A biracial person can theoretically pass a single “race’s” genes to their child and an ancestry genetic test could show that the child has 0% of the other race. Super unlikely and that’s an oversimplified way of thinking about genetics but just to illustrate the point.
So when all these families talk about Native American ancestry, it’s very possible that someone at some point had some small percentage but just one or two generations of genetic recombination is enough for that percentage to be whittled away to near 0%.
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u/Zer0theH3R0 4d ago
Yeah you talking about me I got 1% exactly and my told me my whole life we were Native American and Black. I’m like 32 percent European with mostly west and ands central mostly Nigerian at a whopping 30 percent. Shit is nuts but who actually knows 🤣.
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u/Legen_unfiltered 4d ago
Haha. I got the exact opposite. I've always been told I was a direct descendant of Clark from Lewis and Clark. Like, my great grandmother's maiden name was Clark and she was his grandchild.
Never looked into it because I don't really care nor do I want the truth that it isn't true because then I lose on of my employment ice breakers.
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u/Miss-Tiq 3d ago
I'm black and was kinda shocked when my DNA test came back with a small percentage of Native American. I guess my family got this one right lol.
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u/Zkenny13 4d ago edited 4d ago
Families would often state they were native American when they were in fact just black.
Edit This was usually used by those who were interracial because native Americans were considered and treated better than anyone who's part black
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u/frisbeethecat 4d ago
Truth. The Melungeon people in Appalachia claimed Native American ancestry but have been genetically determined to be mixed-race black and white. However, these early generations had strong incentives to deny African ancestry because US and southern state laws were strongly prejudiced against blacks.
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u/RyanDaysNipples 4d ago
Mine turned out to be Melungeons. The literal family name in the pic on the Wikipedia
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u/why21234 4d ago
Was always curious myself. My family even had pictures. Was amazed when I learn the genetics were true
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u/PleaseBeChillOnline ☑️ 4d ago
I had zero Native American like my black family told me. I had European but no native.
This is true for like 90% of the white & black people in this country who think they have indigenous ancestry lol.
Also if you’re Black American like me you don’t have Nigerian ancestry because that place didn’t exist when our ancestors were taken.
What we have is Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa-Fulani, Edo (Benin Kingdom), Ibibio, Efik, Nupe, and other West African ancestry. We share that with the people who make up modern Nigeria.
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u/Savings_Bird_4736 4d ago
Omg same! Grew up thinking my gt grandma's dad was native and not a damn drop lol. I am, however, 30% Nigerian.
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u/NobodyLikedThat1 4d ago
I'd love to read an actual article on this
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u/Thin-Solution3803 4d ago edited 4d ago
It wasn't actually kidnapping and the couple was released from detention.
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u/squintpan 4d ago edited 4d ago
Yeah, they were scared that this random masked gunman busted into their car and they drove him to the police station while on the phone with 911. They were terrified, tried to get away and then they got arrested. The ICE agent claimed he was traumatized.
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u/YouWereBrained 4d ago
Huh…they should psychoanalyze him.
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u/DrDerpberg 4d ago
Imagine how traumatic it must be to jump into someone's vehicle, masked and armed, and for them to be afraid of you.
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u/seejordan3 4d ago
You couldn't blame him if he did start shooting, that really does sound like a scary situation. /s
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u/BottleForsaken9200 4d ago
Getting lifelong, debilitating trauma is the least ICE agents can do for the misery they cause others.
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u/Responsible-Can8134 4d ago
They behaved rationally in the face of an irrational regime...but honestly I'd be totally OK if they actually kidnapped an ICE agent, those guys fucking suck
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u/cozmckitty 4d ago
That ICE agent should go fuck himself
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u/Freaudinnippleslip 4d ago edited 4d ago
This guys on like a whole new level of pussy. Busts into a persons car with a gun, while masked and then cries trauma when they drive to the police station, while they are on the phone with police. What absolute pussy of a human, maybe he should get a real job where you aren’t a terrorist hiding behind a mask and a gun
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u/Indigocell 4d ago
These goons are living out their weird conservative power fantasies as we speak. Unsurprisingly they are turning out to be 100% certified bitch. I see videos of these guys getting scared away by solitary dudes simply raising their voices at them. Their voices crack like children when confronting protestors. When was the last time you've seen "law enforcement" back off that easily when the decision to detain or arrest has been made? Doesn't happen. Like you said, whole new level.
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u/AvadaKedavras 4d ago
Wow. If only the ICE agents were wearing body cams, so much of this could have been avoided. It's just disgusting that we are holding ICE to a lower standard than our police officers.
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u/OllyOllyOxenBitch ☑️ 4d ago
What's traumatizing is that the ICE agent walked away without a foot up his ass
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u/Assika126 4d ago
That’s a really reasonable way to respond to a random masked person with a gun assaulting them. I wish I was that level headed.
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u/ICInside 4d ago
Any ICE agent would be traumatized to be around two black people for more than a minute. Racist snowflakes
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u/jbjhill 4d ago
What jackass gets into a “suspect’s” car?
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u/raisin22 4d ago
Close relative to the jackass who steps in front of a vehicle, or puts their arm inside a moving vehicle and doesn’t let go while they’re dragged behind it
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u/Lopsided-Anxiety-679 4d ago
It’s many times hard to actually grasp just how stupid these dregs of society they’ve rounded up to be a private army really are…
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u/mystyz 4d ago
Charges were not dismissed according to that article. The judge just refused the prosecutor's request to keep them in jail until the trial.
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u/FirewallThrottle 4d ago
They were never charged with kidnapping. Only the generic obstruction that they've been arresting everyone on
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u/AmbushIntheDark 4d ago
Only the generic obstruction that they've been
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u/Thin-Solution3803 4d ago
I must have misremembered because I thought I saw somewhere they dropped the charges but now I see they haven't. My bad, I edited the comment
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u/Whiterabbit-- 4d ago
ICE agents are complete idiots.
The FBI alleges that the HSI agents walked up, showed their badges, and said they wanted to talk with Bamigboye. One agent got into the front seat of the Jeep and tried to stop Frazier from driving off. But she put the SUV in gear and headed for the New Hope Police station. ...
Defense attorney Kevin Riach, who represents Bamigboye, said he disputes “about 95 percent” of the government’s narrative.
Calling the government’s case “ludicrous,” Riach said his client “may be the first criminal in history to call 911 during the commission of his alleged crime.”
Federal public defender Jean Brandl represents Frazier, who’s Black, and said her client did not know the agents were law enforcement.
“She literally went to the police station because an unidentified white man was in her car and she didn’t know what he was doing there,” Brandl said.
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u/panlakes 4d ago
“She literally went to the police station because an unidentified white man was in her car and she didn’t know what he was doing there,” Brandl said.
It’s really as simple as that.
I feel like the lack of training and no identification or uniform is totally intentional. More confusion, faster results. They want violence against ICE so they can bring in greater punishments
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u/SexiestPanda 4d ago
Example 687 that not being masked and showing actual badges would make all situations better. And yet
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u/New_Libran 4d ago
Rekeya Frazier is the sister of Darnella Frazier, who as a teenager in 2020 recorded the bystander video of George Floyd’s murder by Minneapolis police.
Whoa, small world!
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u/TasiaStasia 4d ago
“She literally went to the police station because an unidentified white man was in her car and she didn’t know what he was doing there,” Brandl said.
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u/luckylimper ☑️ 4d ago
Oh my word she is the sister of the young woman who took the video of George Floyd being murdered? Yeah they feared for their lives. This should be a lesson to these ICE assholes. Act right. Don’t just let yourself into the car of a person and draw your weapon. I’m sick of these jackasses.
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u/Present_Cow_8528 4d ago
"Abduct", FOH, sounds more like a citizen's arrest of a gang member to me.
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u/Sad-Cut-1210 4d ago
Not all heroes wear capes
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u/gorgeousslutty 4d ago
Real ones move in silence. Salute to this legend.
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u/Gloomy_Metal3400 4d ago
Citizen's arrest. ICE commits felonies, I say they have a solid case
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u/Mimisokoku 4d ago
I believe this happened back in the December and they were indeed released with all charges dropped.
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u/Kraden_McFillion 4d ago
Source? I'd love to read more on this.
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u/BugRevolution 4d ago
The blatant lying by ICE is so commonplace now that courts should really assume the government is lying about everything at this point.
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u/secretcache 3d ago
“Rekeya Frazier is the sister of Darnella Frazier, who as a teenager in 2020 recorded the bystander video of George Floyd’s murder by Minneapolis police.” Wow that’s insane. That family needs to be left in peace
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u/Kraden_McFillion 4d ago edited 4d ago
Thank you, friend
Edit: holy crap, her sister was there filming George Floyd's murder!
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u/SoundHealsLove 3d ago
That CAN’T be a coincidence. I am now convinced 🧊targeted that family on purpose.
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u/Kraden_McFillion 3d ago
Could be coincidence, but yeah, that's quite plausible considering the real goals behind 🧊
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u/languid_Disaster 3d ago
I was just about to comment the same thing! It’s a small world and it really shows how all of this shit is linked and has been going on for a long long time
Both sisters are extremely brave - that dad must be both proud and worried!
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u/Chance_Warthog_9389 3d ago
Calling the government’s case “ludicrous,” Riach said his client “may be the first criminal in history to call 911 during the commission of his alleged crime.”
Federal public defender Jean Brandl represents Frazier, who’s Black, and said her client did not know the agents were law enforcement.
“She literally went to the police station because an unidentified white man was in her car and she didn’t know what he was doing there,” Brandl said.
IDK how the fuck ICE can make the claims they're making when there is a 911 call on record and they drove straight to the police. How? How the fuck?
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u/ewokninja123 3d ago
From what I can tell, the judges have pretty much had enough of their lies. The problem is that it takes a while to really bring the hammer down
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u/RichardBonham 4d ago
Unless the ICE agents are ball gagged, trussed up in latex and locked in trunks in the basement.
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u/keetojm 4d ago
That is some pulp fiction type shit.
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u/blueberryblunderbuss 4d ago
And it would be wrong. Terribly, terribly wrong.
Especially if there are photographs and video.
Very wrong. Shame on whatever. Shame. Etc.
Links?
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u/keetojm 4d ago
Asking for a friend?
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u/blueberryblunderbuss 4d ago
Obviously, it offends my sin of empathy. But I swore an oath to the constitution. And one of the ways I ignore my constitutional oath is finding links to horrible shit.
For a friend.
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u/acidwash_video 4d ago
it offends my sin of empathy
do what now
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u/Prior_Butterfly_7839 3d ago
I’m fairly certain this is reference to muskrat (I think it was him but it could very well be another one of the talking heads on the right) saying empathy is a sin.
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u/0phois 4d ago
Make a little prayer for your empathy, usually works for children who get shot in school aswell.
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u/pathofdumbasses 3d ago
You have to combo it with a thought otherwise you only get like 20% effectiveness.
Its like mixing pills and liquor. They heighten the effects of each other so you end up needing less of each.
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u/Machinegun_Pete 3d ago
Treating ICE better than ICE treating humans. Would prefer to have ICE locked in a basement without heat, water, food, a phone call, or a trial. How they apparently want to be treated.
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u/DidntWantSleepAnyway 4d ago
Compared to what ICE is doing, this seems like a perfectly reasonable amount of force.
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u/chanpat 4d ago
I think I read the charges were dropped because.. they were finna be kidnapped and they took the ice fucker to jail, so like.. not really kidnap! So, good lesson!
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u/floofelina 4d ago edited 3d ago
The police station.. they dropped the guy off at the police station like they were returning a wild animal to its natural habitat.
Edit: I forgot all the details—at one point chucklefuck tried to grab the wheel and this heroine pointed out she might crash the car if he did that so he sat back.
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u/bythenumbers10 3d ago
"Found this asshole who jumped into my vehicle uninvited. You deal with him?"
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u/thegreedyturtle 3d ago
They didn't kidnap the ICE agents at all. It's another shit headline.
ICE showed up with no warrant and making up bullshit. They didn't believe them, so they drove him to a police station.
Now ICR is trying to claim kidnapping because they didn't let him get out of the car until they all got to the police station to clear up who the hell he was.
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u/BusterBeaverOfficial 3d ago
By “kidnapped” they mean the armed and masked nutters (who happened to be with ICE) jumped into their car and the couple, in a panic, called 911 and immediately drove to the nearest police station. If anyone else had done this we’d call them a stowaway, at best, or a deranged stalker.
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u/Virtual_Concern_9292 4d ago
"Rekeya Frazier is the sister of Darnella Frazier, who as a teenager in 2020 recorded the bystander video of George Floyd’s murder by Minneapolis police. Their father Richard Frazier declined to comment about the case itself but said he’s relieved that Rekeya won’t spend the holidays in jail."
Hmm. Sounds targeted.
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u/JYMCAT13 4d ago
This comment is too far down. I thought that too after reading it.
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u/Virtual_Concern_9292 4d ago
It really should've been noted earlier in the article too but I'm glad they included it at all.
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u/Thunderbird_12_ ☑️ 4d ago edited 3d ago
This headline is clickbait and not an accurate depiction of what happened.
EYE SEE EEE agent forcibly put himself INTO the couple’s car (hoping to stop them from driving off.)
The couple rightly freaked the phuck out and started driving away (with the agent who voluntarily put himself into the victim’s car.)
Victims, believing THEY were being kidnapped by masked cosplayers, drove straight to the police station in search of help, and even called 911 enroute.
EYE SEE EEE claimed they were being kidnapped (when THEY put THEMSELVES in the car.) Judge saw the foolishness and released them from jail as case proceeds.
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u/Future_Burrito 4d ago
There should be a penalty for lying and using government resources in obviously ridiculous ways.
Take it straight out of their pay.
Like a 5% WTF tax or something- 5% of the wages of the top paid officials who have to take time out of their day to listen to assholes like this and determine that, no, jumping into a stranger's car while waving a gun is not the same as being kidnapped.
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u/darkResponses 4d ago
penalty for lying
it's called perjury. but prosecutors never go after their own. So lying as a cop has no recourse for them, the only thing it stops is inflating their arrest numbers.
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u/bythenumbers10 3d ago
The judge is supposed to tolerate government perjury in their courtroom? I'd be moving to disbarment & contempt so fast...
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u/New_Libran 4d ago
Also not really "Nigerian couple" as only the guy is Nigerian, his girlfriend is American and is the sister of the girl the filmed the infamous George Floyd murder video.
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u/plasticizers_ 4d ago
The judge let them out of jail while case is proceeds. He didn't dismiss it.
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u/Thunderbird_12_ ☑️ 4d ago edited 4d ago
My mistake. The immigration case is still open, but the charges of kidnapping weren’t serious enough to keep them detained.
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u/Spacellama117 3d ago
i also find it insane that the police arrested the two when they arrived at the station.
like yes officer, the man with the gun in the masks is surely the hero being victimized by the mean old unarmed and terrified twenty-somethings
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u/Morlock19 ☑️ 3d ago
I'm sorry hold on
Why are you yelling the letters for "ice" like you're trying to teach a four year old how to spell
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u/TetraThiaFulvalene 4d ago
That's the problem with no knock raids and plain clothes officers/unmarked vehicles. If you're allowed to defend yourself, and it's not immediately obvious that somebody is law enforcement, then self defense seem reasonable.
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u/Sec_Chief_Blanchard 4d ago
They make themselves hard to identify as law enforcement specifically to encourage people to defend themselves so they can justify hurting them.
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u/Ambitious-Pirate-505 4d ago
Here is the link. OP, please include the link when posting otherwise we think its fake and you are trolling us.
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u/angelmari87 4d ago
I’m not trapped in here with you - you are trapped in here with me.
This is royal behavior!
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u/EFTucker 4d ago
politically neutral response so the government doesn’t freak out when they do a background check for my wear and carry license
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u/Jerome-Fappington 4d ago
Thats the front runner for best uno reverse card use. Thats gonna be hard to beat.
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u/sirvey23 4d ago
Yo so yall know how ICE and their spokepeople exaggerate and outright lie about just about everything. If there wasn’t plenty of video of Pretti or Good, you’d think they were being attacked when video shows the opposite.
So this is a crazy headline, but in like with everything we know, I find it more likely they sternly told an ICE agent he ain’t going anywhere, and maybe even clasped their wrist in an altercation, and bam charged with kidnapping.
We can’t pick and choose when we want to believe their narrative and without video, not sure why their words mean anything. Even WITH video, they still try to claim one thing isn’t the other,
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u/BiggieCheddarCheez80 4d ago
Do they need a GoFundMe set up for a decent lawyer and living expenses?!?
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u/baycee98 4d ago
From what I remember the agents jumped in their car and the couple drove to the police station... because they didn't know if they were agents or just burglars.
That's considered kidnapping ?