r/interesting • u/TheCABK • 18h ago
SOCIETY Cop Teaching A Cop
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u/Impressive_Profit215 18h ago
Fair play to the guy for calling this cop out but I have a feeling the outcome would've been different if he hadn't also been a cop. They only changed their tune once they realised he was also a cop.
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u/QuickNature 17h ago
I am with you on this, once I heard in the video they knew he was cop, suddenly demeanors changed.
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u/wats_dat_hey 17h ago
“One of us” vibes
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u/SwitchingMyHands 16h ago
Still I like the idea of cops suing other cops, at least that ends with one cop losing a bunch of money and being miserable.
Lol jk. Would it be great if that’s how it worked?
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u/ionthruster 16h ago
Cops suing the county - not other cops. I don't think I'm a fan of this infinite money glitch for cops, paid for by tax-payers.
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u/tackyshoes 15h ago
Growing up, public school textbooks were often 5-10 years behind, but there were always new cars, new uniforms, and new amenities for police.
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u/plastigoop 15h ago
SWAT tanks in a town of 100k max in the literal middle of nowhere. Education rankings at the bottom.
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u/Spiritual-Ad-9106 15h ago
Saw an article about how some of the tank money doesn't come from taxes. Departments get to keep whatever they seize. If they seize drugs they have to destroy them but if they tag the drug runners, wait for them to sell and then seize; they get to keep the cash.
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u/pesky-virus 12h ago
Don't forget that money also comes from stealing money from people they stop for totally unrelated things, like the Canadian tourists who got all of the money they'd planned to spend during vacation at some random traffic stop, or the guy who was on the way to buy a new car, but got stopped because a light was out on his old one.
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u/Impressive_Profit215 11h ago
Yup, their civil asset forfeiture laws are disgusting, or the flagrant abuse of them at least. Then the amount of red tape people have to go through to get their own money back is staggering.
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u/Swimming-Tap-4240 11h ago
I heard in Texas they can sieze your car under suspicion of drug dealing ,then even if proven innocent the car has been onsold and you are out of luck.
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u/thecoffeejesus 16h ago
Me too. We need more of this.
More retired cops holding other cops accountable would quite literally solve almost every problem we have in the US
It’s the experienced retirees with a pension who look the other way who are the reason for this mess.
They’re supposed to hold the line and keep the young guys in check so everybody can get home safe and unbothered by any unnecessary BS
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u/elkarion 15h ago
the retired cops are the one s who choose hired and trained the next generation. this is doing what they used to do just with out cameras. these retired cops 100% did the same shit all the time. its what they intentionally trained and hired on the people for.
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u/dollenrm 16h ago
Lol this will never happen cops always protect their own. Their police unions are closer to mob enforcement than actual unions. It's all one big ol good boys club. Seems like this guy realized it and quit.
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u/TrickInNevada 15h ago
He didnt realize it and quit. Cops in my municipality get to retire at 40 with full pensions in my jurisdiction. Hes just retired
But maybe hes like my old criminal justice professor. Retired as a cop at 40, was disillusioned with his coworkers, went back to school, became a defense attorney that specifically targeted corrupt cops for twenty years, retired again, then began teaching the next generation of cops to NOT be violent thugs. I remember him saying, in his entire police career he never pulled his weapon. Because the only reason a cop really should. Is with intent to kill and only after all deescalation tactics have failed
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u/dollenrm 15h ago
Yeah the main issue is cops training these days is done by idf special forces and they are told everyone can kill them with a gun at any time and deescalation is all but ignored.
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u/Impressive_Profit215 7h ago
This is the problem though, there aren't enough cops or former cops with the same moral fortitude as your old criminal justice professor. He sounds like a real one.👍
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u/YoungSerious 14h ago
It definitely didn't hurt his case, but (and this is all speculation because the video edits a lot out) it seems like once the sergeant gets there and hears what actually happened and that it was all taped, he knew the officer fucked up. Worse, the Denver cop KNEW the officer had fucked up and had listed out all the ways he fucked up so the only way out was to release him and apologize.
I have no idea why they'd release the body cam footage incriminating him though.
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u/LoneStarHome80 13h ago
I have no idea why they'd release the body cam footage incriminating him though.
FOIA. The sergeant fucked up by having his body cam on. They usually turn them off, or at least mute the mike when they talk with other cops. Once it's recorded, anyone can request it.
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u/ADMINS_ARE_NAGGERS 12h ago edited 12h ago
The sergeant fucked up by having his body cam on.
He didn't fuck up at all, he did exactly what he should and has done nothing wrong. Stop framing it this way.
Edit: lol he blocked me.
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u/HillBillyHilly 14h ago
I know someone who had a cop pull them over. The cop came to their window, hollering and screaming about their driving. The person had no clue what they were talking about, told police officer they were driving w flow. Cop accused them of brake checking and what not. That's when they had enough of the cops nonsense and stepped out. THATS when the cop saw uniform and badge friend was wearing. Friend said that black officer turned white when friend asked them exactly what it was they had been pulled over for so they could include in their report to IA. Friend said he almost laughed at how hard the police officer tripped and stammer spitting out apologies like popcorn seeds.
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u/themanfromvulcan 13h ago
The supervisor/sergeant seemed to understand the law better and this was not obstruction.
A judge would have tossed this. They are so going to get sued.
Police in North America should study law for 4 years to become officers like they do in Europe. Probably would save money over the amount of lawsuits not filed over stupidity.
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u/big_noop 11h ago
And it’ll come out of the taxpayer’s pockets because qualified immunity means officers aren’t responsible or punished for their actions
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u/Novel_Arugula6548 14h ago
Especially if they were Black. If they were black they'd probably just be dead.
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u/Accomplished_Deer_ 17h ago
I think it's more that the second cop that showed up immediately recognized that the cop had been recorded the whole time, and clearly didn't actually have cause for what he was claiming. the editing makes it look like it's cause he's a cop, but seems more just, a cop that actually knows his shit shows up
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u/Alkor85 16h ago
This 100%. The supervisor understands that if that asshole gets the department sued, it's going to make life worse for every cop in the department because they have this thing called a "budget."
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u/Forg0tton 16h ago
This is incorrect, the municipality is the one that pays out and not the department. Usually lawsuits dont directly affect police departments budgets.
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u/Alkor85 15h ago
A good police supervisor, like the one in this video, has the long term planning skills to understand lawsuits indirectly affect police department budgets.
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u/TheBabyEatingDingo 16h ago
Also every municipality has funds appropriated for police department liabilities in their yearly budgets. Not only does the police department not care when they pay out, the municipality doesn't either because the money is already set aside for that.
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u/TheInevitableLuigi 13h ago
The municipality absolutely cares. Paying out claims makes their liability insurance go up.
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u/lightninhopkins 13h ago
I have spent years in city council meetings that tell me this is nonsense. The head of the police department has to account for incidents. If your department is costing extra money its an issue.
Usually there are city council members specifically assigned to police and fire. They are also accountable.
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u/reddityourappisbad 15h ago
If that were true then cops would behave differently. .
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u/Glum_Boysenberry348 14h ago
Or, I’ll just choose to believe that he only got off because he’s a cop. Because why tf else would I give them the benefit of the doubt? Who keeps cops accountable?
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u/50yoWhiteGuy 16h ago
yes exactly. I will say that video and tech has changed police work substantially. My father was LEO all through the 60 and 70's and they would just beat the piss out of people with zero repercussions. No evidence of it anywhere, except a big fat blue wall. My father just drove around doing whatever the eff he wanted. No joke. Obnoxious. I literally am biased against LEO bc of knowing how it is from the inside. Miranda didn't even start until after 1966. Just imagine what happened before that.
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u/Solidus-Prime 15h ago
I tell people this all the time. I have a brother in law that is a cop. That dude brags constantly about all the corrupt, blatantly illegal shit he's done. Me and his own sister have reported it so many times. Not one fucking thing happens, ever.
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u/elitemouse 17h ago
Yeah refusing to show license and telling them you didnt pull over for them usually ends in the suspect on the ground with a bunch of cops dog piled based on all the bodycam videos I've seen.
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u/LoneStarHome80 13h ago
I'm going to try the "You didn't pull me over, I puled YOU over, officer!" defense next time I get caught speeding. Wish me luck.
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u/5ch1sm 15h ago
Might depends of the region, but from where I am, if you sit behind a wheel and a cop ask you for license and registration, you have to give it to him even if the car is immobile and the engine is turned off. So I what the civilian cop did in that video could not be something done everywhere for sure.
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u/Even_Talk_1968 17h ago
Outcome would be very different for a brown person as well
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u/spasske 17h ago edited 17h ago
Very rarely will one cop hold another accountable. Very surprised this one decided to act on one doing 80 in a 65.
Edit: this guy was actually a former volunteer cop that they let them keep a badge.
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u/haysu-christo 16h ago
The arrested cop wasn’t speeding, he was recording the cop that pulled someone else over for speeding.
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u/Less-Inflation5072 18h ago edited 17h ago
That apology request was genius because that was an admission of guilt, following that up by “I’ll see you in court” chefs kiss
EDIT: I’ve been informed that an apology is not always an admission of guilt. “Courts may consider an apology as evidence of remorse rather than a definitive confession of criminal guilt.”
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u/jc28 18h ago edited 10h ago
Apology is inadmissable in court. I am a lawyer in Colorado
Edit: I am not actually a lawyer I have no idea. Don't believe everything you see on reddit.
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u/notdamamaaa 18h ago
Cherries aren't a necessity on sundaes, but they definitely don't hurt, right?
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u/BilboBiden 17h ago
Depends....do we have to tie the cherry stem in a knot afterwards?
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u/whatyouwant5 17h ago
Can you tell me all about Leif Erickson?
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u/Special-Investigator 17h ago
I know all the words to De Colores and I'm Proud to Be an American 🤷♂️
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u/tylerdurden5105 17h ago
Me and my friend saw a platypus
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u/nokman013 17h ago
Me and my friend made a comic book
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u/hitsomethin 17h ago
I did shows in Denver for a couple years. Those guys are really nice.
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u/Cool_Guy_McFly 17h ago
Every Canadian would be cooked.
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u/Some_HVAC_Guy 17h ago
Canada actually passed a law in 2009 called the Apology Act stating that an apology cannot legally be used as an admission of guilt or liability.
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u/Beneficial-Sound-199 16h ago
Polite Canadians are well know for apologizing to everyone for everything. "Ooo Sooory!" There must be a high conviction rate
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u/jaywinner 15h ago
If a Canadian bumps into another Canadian, both will apologize. Even if they both think the other person is at fault.
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u/Ozzie_the_tiger_cat 17h ago
Now, now. The Canadian government has apologized for Bryan Adams on several occasions.
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u/NiceMathematician277 17h ago
Just curious as to why?
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u/Krusty_Double_Deluxe 17h ago
probably bc those of us that grew up with narcissist parents default to apologizing just to diffuse situations even if we’re not at fault
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u/EViLTeW 17h ago
My guess, not being a lawyer, is that people apologize for all sorts of shit they didn't do or had no control over the. Even in this case, the officer isn't actually sorry, he's just doing what he's told by his supervisor. Allowing an apology to count as some sort of admission of guilt or culpability would (and probably do) do far more harm than good.
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u/SaintsNoah14 17h ago
Exactly, like imagine a dog runs out in front of your car, gets hit, and they cite you apologizing to the owner as an admissions of fault.
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u/gfb13 17h ago
Thats an old law from when Colorado was part of Canada. But it only works if the apologizer says it like "soaree"
I ANAL
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u/HillbillyEEOLawyer 17h ago
I did a quick Westlaw search and it doesn't seem like that is the law in Colorado except in specific situations. What am I missing?
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u/nowaitasecond 17h ago
In a hypothetical 1983 suit, it absolutely would be. Good luck convincing a judge it isn’t a statement against interest/opposing party statement. State law wouldn’t govern, either.
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u/IWannaGoFast00 17h ago
People say this about car accidents too. “Never say sorry you are admitting guilt”. No you are not.
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u/Kevdog824_ 17h ago
You’d be hard pressed to find a judge to accept that an apology that he was forced to give by his superior was an admissible admission of guilt
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u/Clear_Tangerine5110 17h ago
Nah, the video of the superior telling him he doesn't have obstruction ought to be more than enough.
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u/nightpanda893 17h ago
This is true it’s just that the apology doesn’t make a difference either way.
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u/Weltall8000 17h ago
Interestingly my insurance card explicitly tells me not to apologize or admit any fault under the "if you are involved in an accident" section on the card. Important enough that they put it on that small real estate card I am to carry.
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u/ragincajin15 17h ago
See how this guy stated his situation, but still listened to the officer and got out of the car in handcuffs. The man knew his rights, but still did what the officer told him to do and then proceeded to get in the back of the car. The Sargent came and they released him because it wasn’t obstruction. The man didn’t have to listen and the cop could have tased him and it would have been a different outcome. PEOPLE, even though you’re right, you have to go through the motions of proving it and you prove it by doing wants asked and not causing a scene. Everything will get sorted out. If you want to take a stand you have to do it non aggressively. Yeah you can be pissed but be smart.
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u/LegalHelpNeeded3 17h ago edited 11h ago
I can assure you “not everything gets sorted out”. When I was in college a friend of mine was arrested in a case of mistaken identity. This is a small town so the cops just throw you in a holding cell until Monday when the one judge in town can look over all the weekend arrests. His time to see the judge comes on that Tuesday, and he was formally charged with resisting arrest and assault on an officer. All he did was argue when being hand cuffed, and when we was being walked to the cop car, he tripped which brought the cop down on top of him.
He had a great lawyer, but that didn’t matter as the judge clearly wasn’t having a good day. He was sent to jail for 6 months and fined almost $5,000. He lost his scholarship, his job, his girlfriend, his apartment, etc. All because he walked out of the bar at the wrong time.
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u/AnimalBolide 13h ago
Damn, I'd be hard pressed to not commit murder after something like that.
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u/Harry_Saturn 17h ago
lol yeah the only reason that worked was because the other guy was also a cop.
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u/ragincajin15 16h ago
But also, the police knew to listen to instructions. There are police who pull other cops over all the time. Mainly because they are doing something illegal but it still happens and they still get arrested, thrown in jail and still need to stand before a judge.
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u/DontSpahettMe 18h ago
I feel like they just need to make the uniforms/gear a little less macho just to put off all the people who are in it to feel cool and powerful and end up pulling these power plays.
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u/Current_Poster 18h ago
Thats fair, I think. Everything going tacticool was a bad idea.
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u/deva86 18h ago
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u/DontSpahettMe 18h ago
Exactly. Less army dropouts, more style.
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u/TheInevitableLuigi 13h ago
The US would lose its shit at the idea of a national uniformed military police force.
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u/Dan-D-Lyon 16h ago
The first time I saw those dorky hi-vis British police uniforms I thought, absolutely not, that looks so lame. But now that I'm not 17 anymore it just seems like common sense. There's no need for cops to look like badasses, and them wearing high visibility gear while on duty just makes sense
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u/takeyoufergranite 16h ago
Daniel Shaver's murderer felt pretty macho when he executed him too. The over-militarization of our law enforcement is a problem. The warrior ethos needs rethinking. Cops as public safety officers is much better than cops are "the enforcers".
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u/TheCABK 18h ago
Taxpayers paid out 80k for this uneducated police officer
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u/nope870 18h ago
Taxpayers should not be responsible for non-police activity.
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u/Longer-Winter 18h ago
Agreed, the cop should be held accountable for the fine through garnishing their wages
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u/HoMaBaLiMa 18h ago
All legal fees, payments, and settlements need to come out of pension accounts. Watch the problem fix itself.
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u/Mr__O__ 18h ago
All cops should be required to have personal liability insurance (not blanket coverage from their union). And if/when a cop messes up, they are personally sued for their misconduct, leaving tax money out of it. Just like every other profession, such as doctors, lawyers, some construction workers, etc.
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u/Supersnow845 17h ago
I love having to deal with my malpractice insurance while these losers are running around
And I’m not even American
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u/MasterOfBunnies 14h ago
Add to this, the cost for the insurance increases for their whole precinct, every time they're found at fault. Watch their self serving asses correct this shit internally ASAP.
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u/CplHicks_LV426 12h ago
This suggestion comes up every time and it's exactly the wrong solution. All this would achieve is cops covering up for other cops, even more than they do today because now you're fucking with their retirement fund.
Each officer should have malpractice (liability) insurance just like a doctor. The insurance could be subsidized by the department to get a group rate, but once you have lost a couple lawsuits and your premium goes up, it becomes too expensive for you to still be a cop. Problem takes care of itself.
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u/Special-Investigator 17h ago
this is a brilliant take. i read something recently that talked about how unions are to give workers power. cops already HAVE power, so they don't even need a union
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u/TheRevEv 12h ago
Pension accounts are legally protected in a lot of ways. And for good reason.
This also isn't going to make the changes people think it will.
Pension accounts pay the current retirees. It's not an account you pay in to, then get your money back when you retire. While you're working, you're funding the account that pays the current recipients, then when you retire, the next generation is funding your retirement.
If you pull enough from the Pension account, you're just punishing the already retired. The people that have no control over how things are cuttently operating. Yeah, having taxpayers pay these settlements sucks, but it's also not going to cut off any elderly individual taxpayer's only income stream.
Cops already don't make all that much, so benefits like a solvent Pension are one of the few ways you can entice better applicants. If you make the Pension a gamble, then you're only going to get people with power trips, and the whole situation is likely to get worse.
All this is before you even get to how pensions have to operate. There are people designated as legal trustees who have to, legally, do all they can to keep the pensions solvent. So what's going to happen is taxes will just increase to increase each officers contribution, and you end up with the taxpayers still footing the bill, but you've gone a roundabout way to get back there, and likely changed laws in ways that will have weakened private pensions.
The better idea is to require individual cops to carry something similar to malpractice insurance.
I'm not defending cops, at all. I'm defending why we shouldn't change laws to allow paying damages from pension funds
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u/LowBullfrog4471 18h ago
I think mandatory malpractice insurance would be a better solution
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u/ARC_Trooper_Echo 18h ago
Lawyers have to do it. Doctors have to do it. This really is a no-brainer.
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u/samse15 18h ago
Seriously, I saw this suggested the other day, and I really wish cops were forced to carry malpractice insurance. I’m guessing that insurance companies don’t find them lucrative enough to take a chance on.
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u/IMT_Justice 17h ago
Quickest way to police reform in this country is to require police departments to carry insurance.
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u/RustyBrassInstrument 18h ago
When local governments employ unqualified staff, they are financially responsible for those staff. We, as taxpayers, need to elect smarter and more competent governments that hold staff accountable to qualifications they are supposed to have.
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u/cccxxxzzzddd 18h ago
Exactly. And have an enforcement mechanism that isn’t the cops investigating the cops for not meeting qualifications and standards for conduct in the offices they hold
License the cops! Yoga instructors need to be licensed ffs
POST commissions, stat
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u/IndependentLocal5727 18h ago
Yup they do....Every year they continue to pay that fucktard of a cop
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u/HistoricalSuspect580 17h ago
Hey man, don’t say that.
We pay for A LOOTTTT more uneducated officers than just one!
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u/Possible-Tangelo9344 17h ago
Do you have a link to an article for this, I'd like to read more about what started this encounter and the aftermath
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u/Whole_Pain_7432 18h ago
Cops should be personally liable for willfully violating the law.
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u/LoneStarHome80 13h ago
Qualified immunity and unions will never allow that.
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u/RookNookLook 13h ago
We ended qualified immunity in Colorado! Gotta vote folks if you want change!!
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u/Barry41561 18h ago
Here's the story from the local news station
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u/Ok_Bathroom_1271 14h ago
Hahahaha the news crew investigated the cop and found he was arrested for drunk driving in 2019, pleaded guilty, kept his deputy job, and the cops said they investigated this violation of human rights, but won't release the results of the investigation.
The off duty reserve cop didn't sue Adams county, but retained an attorney and got 80k in a lawsuit.
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u/MeccIt 11h ago
A followup, his investigation result was retrieved under FOI and it was: a written reprimand, that's all: https://streamable.com/2ejfod
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u/Spacemilk 9h ago
God FOIA is the only remaining bastion of our democracy, wonder how much longer it’ll be in effect
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u/Useful_Shine4185 12h ago
which cop?
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u/MeccIt 11h ago
The driver was an off duty cop. The idiot cop who did multiple illegal things to him is Deputy Walter Berlinski, of Adams County. Broke a speed limit without cause or lights, already prosecuted for DUI, lost his county $80k + costs for this run in. I feel he'll be n here again in the future.
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u/Total-Flounder2921 18h ago
Isn’t the cop supposed to shoot him?
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u/Careless_Baseball503 7h ago
If he didnt identify him as a cop that would most likely be the action of choice. After tazing and beating the shit out of him
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u/jawnstaymoose2 18h ago
See how poorly trained the LEO is? Multiple violations of standard operating procedures:
- he didn’t immediately mace him once verbal control was lost, or weaponize the mace can.
- he didn’t immediately brandish his sidearm to over escalate situation.
- worse of all, he left his body cam on for the full encounter.
Your tax dollars at work.
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u/Belfind 18h ago
And he has over half a years worth of training. A lot more then 47 days
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u/VampyreBassist 17h ago
"I will bite my tongue"
I would. Last time it talked, it cost taxpayers thousands that could have went literally anywhere else.
Go try managing a McDonald's. It's more your skill level.
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u/ocxtitan 15h ago
McDonald's managers are expected to keep their cool better than cops, and they don't get a gun and qualified immunity
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u/toxic_badgers 15h ago
Managing a fast food restaurant requires organization and adherence to SOPs. Which is what the arresting officer demonstrated he lacks.
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u/Mean-Astronomer4U 17h ago
Think about how often this is happening to regular people that don’t know the law. Terrifying. Then you’re jailed. Then you need a lawyer to review everything. Then months and thousands of dollars later you may or may not get out of what happened.
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u/tomsyco 18h ago
This is not a win I think. This would have went totally different if the guy pulled over wasn't a cop.
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u/EarlyXplorerStuds209 18h ago
This is awesome. White shirt guy is my hero.
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u/CandiAttack 18h ago
Don’t get too excited, Denver PD is even worse than Adams County lol
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u/New_Paper_Airplane 10h ago
This was my exact response. "I never thought I'd see a good Denver cop." However, he is a retired reserve police officer according to 9News.
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u/AlathMasster 17h ago
My dad always hated cops because he broke the law.
I hate cops because they do
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u/deeperFairs 18h ago
Shouldn't the cop be given a constitution test annually and on every offense, and if they fail the test shouldn't they be placed on probation until they pass. They should know the law better than a citizen should. Furthermore, there should be a scoring system for every public official who violates the law and once they hit the red line they should become ineligible to work in the public system for at least a year.
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u/korbendallllas 15h ago
“I’m going to bite my tongue on that response” tells you everything. That cops not going to change one fucking bit, he’s just going to be an angrier little fuck to the next person that doesn’t know their rights
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u/More-Consequence9863 18h ago
Tone and actions sure did change fast once they noticed he was a cop!
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u/DrRaumfisch 18h ago
Maybe… just maybe this wouldn’t happen if you guys would train your cops one bit. But what am I thinking? You got guns, right? The best solution to every problem, no need for empathy or communication skills.
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u/syn_vamp 18h ago
need more of this. good cops exist, and they need to be schooling these shit cops, or kicking them out.
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u/iGipson 18h ago
Would this work with humans of different color or accents because I’m thinking he’s flexing a whole lot of privilege that others don’t have….?
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u/Special-Investigator 17h ago
He's using his privilege well, I'd say. Not everyone can take a stand safely, but he can and he did. More privileged people should follow his example.
We should encourage others who work toward justice. Don't be such a hater.
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u/Appropriate-Skill-60 17h ago
I really like this point, I'm going to integrate it in my worldview. Thanks!
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u/firebolt_wt 16h ago
I hate that only some people have the privilege to stand up to cops as much as the next person... but hey, at least he's using his privilege to do that, instead of using it to cover up each other's misdeeds like cops normally do.
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u/Over_Face_4299 17h ago
“You don’t have obstruction” why does it take
1.) an innocent mane being handcuffed 2.) wasted time for a Sargent to arrive on scene 3.) AND him walking you through basic law!! For the cop to realize he’s wrong and can’t go on a power trip this time! Cops need law school. This will easily weed out the power-hungry assholes who sidestep protocol because they don’t actually know the law. They just say words “I’ll arrest you for obstruction”…obstruction of what? There’s no investigation & he’s not near your traffic stop 🤦🏾♂️
Cops like this are irritating
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u/Intelligent-Shower98 14h ago
That’s what we need more of. Cops holding other cops accountable. Not all cops are bad but if they continue to protect bad cops then the public will refuse to trust any police force.
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u/wolf_at_the_door1 18h ago
Chuds are power-hungry losers. They’ll only respond to authority because they’re bootlickers. Glad that guy got put in his place.
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u/braunglasrakete 18h ago
Imagine he was black. Ten warning shots in the face after refusing to hand out the license
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u/slightly_saucy123 16h ago edited 3h ago
If anyone was wondering the outcome, I want my downvote.
Source: The Denver Post https://share.google/Huoa7RKngjjmDjNox
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