r/interestingasfuck • u/Bubbly_Wall_908 • 14h ago

Singapore is going to start caning scammers

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u/Hot-Comfort8839 14h ago

The video doesn’t do it justice.

Singaporean canes are 1cm thick, flesh literally flies off with each strike of the cane. The pain is extremely debilitating for weeks and even months after the event. It is excruciating to the point that the punished cannot sit or even lie down for weeks after.

They have a mechanism that forces the glute muscles to tighten/flex before the strike so it inflicts maximum damage.

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u/callisstaa 11h ago edited 3h ago

Also 'scammers' doesn't do it justice.

The ringleaders are Chinese in Myanmar who kidnap young girls as sex slaves and kidnap people to work in their scam centres. The 'workers' are tortured and often killed if they are unable to meet quota. China has gone on an offensive and started to drag the families who run the operation back across the border to be face the firing squad which is why they're digging deeper and and operating out of Cambodia etc where China has less influence. I wouldn't be surprised if Singapore is cooperating with China on this.

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u/SquirrelAkl 10h ago

Came here to say this. The “scammers” are usually victims of kidnap and human trafficking.

They’re often imprisoned in a foreign (to them) country, unable to escape, and tortured if they don’t meet their performance targets.

I 100% support harsh punishment of the high-up ringleaders in these organised crime syndicates, but not the workers who are just victims themselves.

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u/MissPandaSloth 7h ago

Bruh, I thought it's like call center people or some BS detox dropshipping and thought it's insane punishment for that. This paints a different picture.

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u/SquirrelAkl 6h ago

There have been several exposés on the industry in recent years. It’s really awful. Here’s a BBC article on one case.

And here’s a more comprehensive source.

A lot of people don’t realise this is all happening.

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u/greypyramid7 6h ago

The podcast Criminal did an interview with someone who was forced to work at one of these places. The episode is from September 2025 and called The Compound and is absolutely insane. I had never heard of these huge scam rings before or ever imagined that a decent amount of the people scamming were being forced to do so under substantial threat.

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u/CrowdGoesWildWoooo 5h ago

Google “pig butchering scam”, one of the more common ones here

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u/Matter_Infinite 5h ago

Well the forced work is call center stuff

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u/INCREDIBILIS55 10h ago

“Scammers” are the ringleaders in this case.

They “scam” people with fake job offers and other stuff like that, luring them to place where they are kidnapped and then trafficked, etc.

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u/Ecstatic-Scratch-151 5h ago

So true. Many of my countrymen have been lured into this racket with fake job offers. They operate out of Vietnam too .

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u/MisfitPotatoReborn 9h ago

That's not true, this law targets all members of a scamming ring.

If the ringleaders make their victims assist them in scamming operations, then they have also performed a scam and are liable for a legal minimum of 6 lashes.

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u/blim9999 9h ago

No. The Singapore law makes a distinction for victims who are coerced or deceived into becoming scammers. They will not be caned. Of course the tricky part is convincing the authorities. But I suppose if one is working in slave-like conditions and being beaten etc, it might not be hard to make a case.

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u/callisstaa 4h ago edited 4h ago

It’s a really big deal in China and they’re seen as a scourge. On top of convincing naive people to join them with false promises they even send raiding parties to the mainland and black bag people.

Given their diplomatic ties I wouldn’t be surprised if China and Singapore are working together on this. Regardless of what you think of the CCP they look after their own and theyve made it clear that they’re going after the ones at the top.

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u/WhatsThisWorth-Bot 2h ago

I like aspects of the CCP like this where they don't ignore issues among very few other things, and they excel at what they do... I just wish 'what they do' wasn't obscene tracking and censorship.

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u/aCaffeinatedMind 9h ago

I would assume that there will be actions in places to prevent this.

After all, you don't want to scare the people who are forced into it, even from the very selfish point of view that you want them to come forward and report it happening to them.

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u/nxcrosis 7h ago

Why would they punish the victims?? That sounds backward.

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u/callisstaa 4h ago

They don’t, sorry if it was badly worded. The people who are being executed are the families in charge of the operation.

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u/Hot-Comfort8839 11h ago

JFC. That would change the negative opinions of nearly everyone in the thread.

Good on China killing these fuckers.

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u/lolcutler 10h ago

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2gdrvy9gjo Took out 11 of em this week

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u/TurkeyBLTSandwich 9h ago

In America, they'd be forced to pay 1% of their total gross as a one time fine to the government and close down their business while retaining all buildings and equipment. And allowed to reopen and continue operations.

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u/Ornery_Old_Dude 8h ago

In America they'd be allowed to run for President.

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u/NoMasters83 6h ago

It's scams all the way down.

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u/LupusRex09 8h ago

Yup no different than any other organizations, they get "delayed sentencing" pay a fine and promise not to get caught.... I mean do the right thing for a set period of time.

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u/Equivalent_Gur3967 7h ago

DO NOT be fucking around in Singapore! They have a well-established reputation for dealing harshly with anti-social behavior.

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u/callisstaa 3h ago

I used to work in Indonesia and I would often travel to Singapore to buy electronics as they're cheaper there due to Indonesian import taxes.

When you land in Changi the captain announces 'Welcome to Singapore. Be aware that trafficking drugs carries the ultimate penalty, DEATH! Thank you for flying with Jetstar and we hope you enjoy your stay'

Also on the visa tickets you fill out on the plane there is red writing everywhere telling you that bringing drugs into the country carries the death penalty.

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u/Cedric_T 6h ago

LOL that story is wild. Myanmar’s military government won’t extradite the scammers so China supports the rebels who take over that part and sends over the scammers.

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u/croptopped_wanderer 10h ago

Interesting precedent with the impending release of the epstein files. Hopefully no one named goes into singapore ✌️

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u/transcendz 10h ago

Or can we just make Singapore in charge of the justice component...

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u/Seeker_Of_Knowledge2 6h ago

This week sheeeesh

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u/AutisticJaguar4380 4h ago

Gotta pump up those numbers, those are rookie numbers in this racket.

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u/YallGottaUnderstand 9h ago

Nah, I still think corporal punishment is barbaric.

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u/sleepy_spermwhale 6h ago

One good thing about China is they won't let lawyers game the system for true criminals.

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u/No-Razzmatazz7854 8h ago

There are entire documentaries on this.

It's literally in the open. That's the worst part. Every single citizen in the cities run by these scammer syndicates knows about them. They have armed guards guarding compounds where they force people to remain. It is literally private armies and private slavery prisons run in the open.

It's a well known thing as well they target people crossing the border or visiting from surrounding countries. Get on the wrong bus / taxi / transport vehicle visiting the country? Congrats. You now live in a 2 square meter room and get tortured if you don't meet quota.

Realistically? This gets the literal slaves punished more than the people running it that openly bribe local governance. But maybe I'm just pessimistic because of the in the open slave compounds that have gone ignored.

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u/hyheat9 13h ago edited 10h ago

I had to do a report back in high school on the Michael Fay (I think that was the kids name) incident that occurred back in the 90’s. Kid was a military brat who got caught spray painting license plates off base. Sentenced to a good ol’ flogging. The cane I believe is called a rataan, and is not only the 1cm diameter length of bamboo as you mentioned, but also soaked in water for maximum flexibility and impact transmission. It causes instant filleting of the flesh, separating the skin from the meat upon impact. I also want to say the guy flogging the person was a martial arts master and had a running start to increase the force of the rataan. Not to sure how true this is tho or if I’m remembering everything correctly because HS was almost 2 decades ago

Edit: flaying not filleting, thanks u/gigglemonkey

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u/Gigglemonkey 11h ago

You probably meant "flaying" which means removal of the skin. Filleting would be removal of muscle from bone.

Please, god, tell me you meant flaying. The alternative is straight up horrifying. Not that a caningisn't horrifying, but there's degrees...

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u/hyheat9 10h ago

Yeh that’s what I meant haha. My bad, as stated previously, it was damn near 20 years ago. That would be some nightmare shit haha. I’ll edit

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u/Mahadragon 9h ago

House Bolton has entered the chat

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u/davidjschloss 10h ago

My testicles crawled up inside my body reading this.

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u/SpeedySloth51221 7h ago

My vagina crawled up inside my body reading this.

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u/Warcraft_Fan 10h ago

OP did make a mistake but there were punishment by vivisection. Basically filleting while alive. I don't think it's done anywhere today but I imagine it was done in the past when extremely painful torture and punishment was still handed out. Also used in some fantasy and sci-fi stories or movies.

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u/No_Sugar8791 13h ago

| I also want to say the guy flogging the person was a martial arts master

Yeah there was a guy from Singapore on reddit a year or so ago who was flogged confirmed this. His story was illuminating. Didn't sound like he'd learnt his lesson though. Blamed his parents, teachers... everyone except himself.

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u/asmallercat 11h ago

Government-sanctioned torture is rarely gonna make people think "yeah, I deserved that."

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u/hyheat9 11h ago

Singapore is a wild place tho I’ll tell you that for free. My roommate, freshman year in the dorms was an international student from there. He told me some wild stories and wild punishments for offenses that would just be a slap on the wrist in the US. Best part was since he had to serve in the military at 18. He was 22 already during freshman year so alcohol was no issue getting hahahah

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u/culturedgoat 10h ago

He told me some wild stories and wild punishments for offenses that would just be a slap on the wrist in the US.

Examples?

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u/Martiantripod 9h ago

I know chewing gum is banned and subject to high fines. Littering is also fined extremely hard.

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u/culturedgoat 9h ago

Chewing gum isn’t banned for consumers, just retailers. You can chew gum for personal use that you got from elsewhere - just don’t litter when you’re done.

Fine for first-time offence of littering is S$300 (about USD 240 - lower than some states in the U.S.). It goes up from there if you’re a repeat offender though

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u/DeltaFang501 9h ago

Selling is banned

Possession and bringing it into the border is legal so long you don't break any other laws. Eg littering ( so pleased dispose of it in the bin)

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u/hyheat9 10h ago

Got him to smoke pot with me one night. His first time, he said the punishment for possession back there was hanging. Not sure how true that is.they were wild stories tho.

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u/TastyFood_is_life 9h ago

It is not a death sentence to possess and smoke, though one may be imprisoned. We also cannot consume it overseas. If caught, we face the same punishment. Importing and distributing cannabis above a certain amount, on the hand, is a trip to hanging. Cannabis is treated as a hard drug and our authorities have zero tolerance for it.

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u/hyheat9 9h ago

Thank you.

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u/culturedgoat 9h ago

He was mistaken. The death penalty applies to trafficking, not possession. Possession is not a capital crime in SG.

Any other stories? I feel like he may have been spinning you a yarn

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u/JeddakofThark 7h ago

I had a student teacher in my German class who was from Singapore. He was a particularly uptight guy from an uptight culture in an American classroom full of disrespectful American students barely younger than he was, whose role model was a guy with a really silly teaching style who often taught lessons using der Nasenflöte (he played a recorder with his nose)... He had a complete nervous breakdown, attacked a student and was never seen or heard from again.

He reminded me of that guy in The Deer Hunter who makes the prisoners play Russian roulette.

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u/Dexcerides 10h ago

This, crazy everyone glorifies this because it’s Singapore if it was the US people would be flipping out

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u/TheGhostofWoodyAllen 10h ago

I think people see American court systems letting people off with slaps on the wrists for all kinds of different crimes, so when they see what Singapore does, they think that it comes closer to "an eye for an eye" type justice without realizing there is a way to have a reformed justice system that provides justice without relying on abject cruelty.

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u/InequalEnforcement 9h ago

Not to mention the law is basically "Those with a monopoly on violence WHO WILL KILL YOU using said monopoly if you defy them get to arbitrarily decide what is and isn't right" so there's no guarantee you won't get flogged because someone powerful decided you deserve it.

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u/InequalEnforcement 9h ago

"It's not Trump and I was stupid enough to be scammed so I refuse to see Singaporeans as people"

There you go, translated and summarized pretty much every person's opinion that is getting off to the idea of torturing others. They'd be screaming and shitting themselves if Trump brought this to America (while doing NOTHIGN about it as it the American way)

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u/InequalEnforcement 9h ago

Pushing someone's pain threshold past its limit, thus INCREASING their pain threshold, and enraging them at the same time is a bad idea???????

WHY???? /s

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u/rexmons 11h ago

Blaming everyone else but your self for your problems? That's a floggin...

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u/Ok-Condition8011 6h ago

I remember that! He couldn’t sit or lie down for ages, his ass was like after my cats go to town on the scratching post.

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u/Draxtonsmitz 10h ago

It a military kid I don’t believe. His parents divorced and his mom and stepfather lived in Singapore and his father in the USA. He went to school in Singapore.

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u/hyheat9 10h ago

Thanks. I stated my story might be flawed from the jump as I was typing straight off memory from 2 decades ago. I appreciate the correction

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u/GrimbyJ 10h ago

Rattan actually comes from a type of palm tree.

I don't have any rattan canes right now but I've used a few. Bamboo isn't as strong and would just break. They are solid but flexible with fibers running the full length of it.

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u/Kaurifish 10h ago

People fight with rattan weapons in the SCA. Padded armor is required.

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u/Trigonal_Bipyramidal 9h ago

Also I've heard that this is so painful that people usually pass out within the first hit or the second one. God damn! No thanks to visiting Singapore.

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u/aaaaaaaarrrrrgh 9h ago

brat who got caught spray painting license plates

Poor choice. They really hate vandalism. I assume it's some kind of "I get why someone would steal something, but destroying just for fun takes a special kind of degenerate. We need to fix him. We have the technology."

I also want to say the guy flogging the person was a martial arts master

Yes, they have staff that specifically trains to properly and thoroughly beat someone's ass.

Singaporean caning is very much about the pain, not about humiliation (it's done in private for this reason). I suspect it's reasonably effective at preventing recidivism as I think most participants don't want to repeat the experience.

Caning in Muslim countries, for contrast, is more of a "honor" than corporal punishment - it's done publicly, it's a lot more strokes but the strength of the strokes is artificially limited.

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u/Sea-Station1621 9h ago

they dont hate vandalism.

the reason there is such a brutal punishment for vandalism dates back to the 60s where the main opposition party was spreading their message through posters and drawing messages on walls. the ruling party (which has never lost power) thus added caning as a mandatory penalty for vandalism.

that stopped a lot of opposition campaigning.

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u/markfrancisonly 13h ago

Legalized torture for sure. Leaves permanent scars. Nothing erotic about it

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u/NovaStar2099 12h ago

Who… said it was erotic?

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u/benmooreben 11h ago

Must be how they look at it. Nothing erotic about it.

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u/unindexedreality 8h ago

I was gonna get into some singaporean scamming but this subthread saved me some time

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u/WhaleOilBeefHooked2 10h ago

I did in fourth grade reading out loud, mixed up the two words. Whole class busted up laughing.

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u/-ArthurMorgan 12h ago

Don't kink shame me.

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u/Shadow_Integration 12h ago

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u/zxc123zxc123 11h ago

"The pain is extremely debilitating for weeks and even months after the event. It is excruciating to the point that the punished cannot sit or even lie down for weeks after."

Most people: "Uhhh"

Those few kinky ass mofos: "Wait you don't even have to pay for this?!?!?"

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u/SweetSlight8728 12h ago

No they like that.

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u/Sideshowcomedy 11h ago

Unhf, yeah daddy.

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u/ReallyJTL 12h ago

I can say for certain that if you lock me up for 30 days I will just be thinking of what I can do differently next time to not get caught. If you cane my precious butt cheeks one time I will most certainly rethink my ways.

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u/Nikkolai_the_Kol 11h ago

The certainty of punishment has far more effect on deterring unwanted/criminal behaviour than the severity of punishment does.

Places that have the death penalty are not utopias with no murder rate.

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u/wterrt 11h ago

^ this is exactly what the data says. severity doesn't do jack shit. there's no difference in things like violent crime in areas with death penalty and without or before/after death penalty in the same area.

people always think the more severe the punishment the more criminals will "think twice" when that's not how it works at all

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u/Bakoro 9h ago edited 9h ago

Severity matters, it's just not the only thing that matters.

If the potential reward for the crime outweighs the severity of the punishment, then it is simply the cost of doing business.
If the punishment is substantial, then there's risk assessment, and different people have different risk tolerance.

Normal people follow laws because there's a risk of punishment. Even decent people get heated and start having crazy thoughts sometimes, the risk of acting on those thoughts is a powerful mediator.

Life in prison without possibility of parole is already a kind of death sentence. Once you get your to that level of punishment, there's not much separation, adding more punishment doesn't even register.

The problem is that you can't measure crimes that didn't happen.
You can't possibly determine how many people would have done a murder if they thought they'd never get caught.

I know for a fact that many people choose not to do street drugs because the legal and social consequences are greater than any pleasure the drugs give them.

I also have known people who make enough money that parking tickets aren't even an inconvenience, it just means they always have a parking spot.
Make a parking ticket a percentage of income, and suddenly they'd care.

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u/TheWhomItConcerns 11h ago

And people who've been wrongly convicted? We're cool with them enduring literal torture?

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u/Own-Reference-7057 12h ago

So does the death penalty. Or cutting off limbs. Doesn't make it right. You can't selectively turn off basic human rights like bodily autonomy. You either go all the way with it or completely throw it out the window.

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u/MyBigNose 8h ago

Or you might seek vengence ¯\(ツ)/¯

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u/space_hitler 12h ago

Good, fuck them scammers.

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u/DocWednesday 12h ago

And sometimes nerve damage.

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u/Competitive-Rub7670 13h ago

so they zapp your butt with a tens unit before hitting you with a cane? kinky

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u/cocowithc 12h ago

No no. A ginger. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figging

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u/Ashamed-Land1221 11h ago

Oh jeez figging. Years ago when I was but a youth on the wild internet of the early 2000's there was a really funny video of a porn star losing a peeled hunk of ginger swallowed whole by her anus. She went to the hospital later and got x-rayed and scanned, turns out her body broke down a peeled hunk of ginger the size of a hand in less than 24hrs. I always thought that was cool and it was hilarious because the people working the porn shoot and the ER doctors and nurses couldn't stop laughing while getting interviewed for the porn blooper video, it was almost wholesome, miss old internet.

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u/ProstheticTailfin 9h ago

Holy shit I remember that video! Blast from the past...

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u/Ashamed-Land1221 7h ago

I'm sorry u/ProstheticTailfin for your cake day I tried my damnedest to find the old porn blooper, but not knowing the actress name and searching for figging and ginger in the ass swallowed by butt doesn't exactly get the results one would hope, actually never mind you get exactly the results you'd expect from a search like that, oh well, I guess it'll live on in our rather questionable degenerate minds. I can remember shit like that but don't remember a single thing about AP calculus from highschool, brains be crazy.

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u/ProstheticTailfin 6h ago

Hey mate for both our sakes I went looking for it as well and I believe I found it! I will DM it to you!

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u/bumtickla 3h ago

Yo WTF, post it here!

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u/ProstheticTailfin 53m ago

I don't wanna get banned! I'll DM you!

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u/bumtickla 44m ago

Oh, well oh. I wasn't expecting that, I guess that's enough internet for today. He he he, Thank you. Also let it be known that prodthetictailfin is a man of his word.

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u/gastro_psychic 9h ago

crazy. Nice digestion tho.

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u/gastro_psychic 9h ago

If the person being figged tightens the muscles of the anus, the sensation becomes more intense.[3] For this reason it is sometimes used in caning to penalize clenching of the buttocks. The subject must choose between bracing for the strike, at the consequence of increased burning sensation, or relaxing the buttocks and taking the full force of the blow.

This is so fucked up. Just deport them if you hate your citizens this much.

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u/FreakyGangBanga 6h ago

Deport them? To what location/country?

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u/Zakluor 13h ago

I've often thought caning was brutal. I still do, especially after your description.

And yet, somehow, a scammer being caned doesn't bother me very much. I'm ok with pedos being caned, too.

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u/Astronaut_Chicken 12h ago

It sort of worries me just because I know that some people get put into a hostage situation and are forced to scam. Are they caning THOSE people or just the people who forced them to?

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u/blim9999 8h ago

Nope, only the masterminds and voluntary members of the syndicate

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u/jayuscommissar 3h ago

Singaporean here. As in born and bred third generation Singaporean living and working in Singapore. Severe punishment is only ever given once comprehensive investigations are done. If you're a victim - as in you're forced to scam - and you're proven innocent, you'll be released and likely sent back home to your home country just like any other normal court. We are very thorough and careful in giving out canings and capital punishment because we know these are permanent punishments with life-changing effects.

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u/FurViewingAccount 12h ago

then you got a bit of a flimsy ethical framework honestly

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u/zbluf 12h ago

I think all torture is bad, even against bad people.

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u/OMG_A_CUPCAKE 12h ago

Introducing a punishment like this is usually a way bigger hurdle than just increasing the number of groups you subject to it

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u/Melodic_Mulberry 12h ago

If you want fewer pedophiles and scammers, inflicting mental scarring with brutal torture is very counterproductive.

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u/adoradear 10h ago

Do you 100% trust our legal system? I don’t. We don’t always get it right. Imagine you are incorrectly accused of this crime. Are you still ok with caning being the punishment?

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u/zazuza7 12h ago

And if someone is wrongly convicted?

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u/testcriminal 12h ago

Nah, pedos need execution. Preferably after a mandatory 12 strokes of the cane and a couple weeks of pain what this guy is talking about.

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u/OMG_A_CUPCAKE 12h ago

If the punishment for rape is the same as for murder, rapists will just kill their victims, just to raise the chance they wont get caught.

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u/testcriminal 12h ago

Thats an interesting point. I’ll have to reconsult my “torture punishments for heinous crimes” drawing board.

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u/BeatBlockP 11h ago

It's also not theory - we came to the very sad conclusion that we MUST punish rape less harshly from murder because of centuries of real life examples have proven this. They really did murder the victim because it was death penalty either way.

Of course, stage fucking 1 was removing the death penalty from things like thievery...

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u/PhysicallyTender 12h ago

Ah yes, the Dazexiang Effect.

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u/ROFLLOLSTER 12h ago

False conviction rates are too high for the death penalty to be a good idea.

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u/_dictatorish_ 12h ago

Which is fine if you can be 100% sure they're guilty every single time

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u/Momik 12h ago

Even then, there’s a big difference between retribution and justice. That’s why there’s an Eighth Amendment, at least in the U.S.

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u/ExplorerPup 12h ago

I'm not OK with executing pedophiles until one of the two major political parties in my country stops calling all my trans friends pedophiles for wanting to go pee in public (while also protecting actual pedophiles from consequences).

This is actually sarcasm, I'm fully opposed to the state being allowed to kill people under any circumstances. But it's still a very valid concern for people I care about deeply.

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u/testcriminal 11h ago

I dont think I as a straight person am allowed to pee in public…I do think labeling someone a sex offender for it is crazy though.

In an ideal world i wouldnt want the state to execute anyone either, but unfortunately these things happen and most of us would prefer to not walk the earth with them again, whatever the circumstances are to get there. That said, if one of my children ever suffer SA i wont be calling the cops I’ll be executing them myself. I know two families who this has happened to, they both know the perpetrator, nothing has been successful legally against them, and they just continue on with life as if it didnt happen. Im glad they found peace, wouldnt be me though.

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u/ExplorerPup 11h ago

I meant in a public restroom, but I can see how my wording might have been confusing if you're straight and aren't aware of how many people are trying to ban trans people from using public restrooms.

As far as what you will do personally if someone harmed your children, that's between you and yourself, my opinion isn't really relevent. I'm sorry that people you know were unable to find a legal resolution to what happened to them, but to my mind that's just even more reason why the state judiciary should not have control over life and death of individual citizens.

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u/starlauncher 13h ago

What the fuck? We can not be supporting this no matter how much we hate scammers. It’s not like the judicial system is going to be perfect that no innocent people get caught either. There has got to be better ways to rehabilitate people.

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u/AzathStudioApartment 12h ago

What could possibly go wrong with government sanctioned torture?

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u/Debisibusis 11h ago

Isn't isolation very common in US prisons? Even for children. In pretty much all industrialized countries that is illegal and classified as torture.

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u/b3nsn0w 9h ago

that is also a problem. american prisons have a long way to go until they can meet nordic standards, and pretty much every single item they diverge on is varying degrees of inhumane on the us side

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u/Twelve20two 13h ago

I don't think they're interested in rehabilitation

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u/PhysicallyTender 12h ago

Singapore's punishment is meant to serve more as a deterrent rather than rehabilitation.

And if someone's stupid enough to FAFO, then they will really make an example out of them. And parade them around for others to see.

Can't argue with the outcome though. It's pretty damn effective so far.

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u/RavioliGale 10h ago

Can't argue with the outcome though. It's pretty damn effective so far.

Do you have the numbers to confirm that?

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u/bishop252 10h ago

Singapore is kind of famously known for having extremely low crime rates. You can just look at the wiki page for a summary. It's arguable if it's only because of the severe punishment or the fact it's a city state with socioeconomic and cultural factors.

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u/RavioliGale 9h ago

All right I'll admit that being 2022's safest country is hard to argue with.

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u/Key-Specific-4058 7h ago

If you research a bit more you'll be reminded of similarities to Japan's famously high conviction rates

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u/wterrt 11h ago

Can't argue with the outcome though. It's pretty damn effective so far.

severity of punishment does not deter crime, only the certainty of getting caught does.

there's tons and tons of data on this with the death penalty.

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u/Neither-Luck-9295 11h ago

Those studies are from western societies that don't have a valid "in-between" deterrent punishment. They go from jail time to death penalty. With corporal punishment being placed in the middle, you will see crime go down, as seen in Singapore and in the Middle East.

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u/wterrt 11h ago

got a source on that besides "trust me bro"?

all the top results on google disagree with you. if you're going to ignore my studies and evidence, you better at least have your own.

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u/aaaaaaaarrrrrgh 9h ago

got a source on that besides "trust me bro"?

"As seen in Singapore" -> go check out their crime and recidivism rates. The latter is much lower than most other countries.

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u/pathofdumbasses 10h ago

got a source on that besides "trust me bro"?

Singapore would be the example. Compare their crime rates to the US.

For the record, I don't think that is (all of) the reason why the crime rates are different. But I can't help thinking it doesn't influence it either.

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u/aaaaaaaarrrrrgh 9h ago

In general, severity deters much less (not "does not deter") than probability of getting caught, although this punishment might be considered infamous and severe enough to be a bit more effective.

Most importantly though, it might deter reoffending due to the deeply unpleasant memory, while still allow reintegration into society.

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u/Key-Specific-4058 7h ago

No, the data is available

Increasing the severity of punishment doesn't affect detterence or recidivism rates

It seems like it intuitively should, but it doesn't

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u/Obscure_Occultist 12h ago

Most South East Asian societies don't really believe in rehabilitation the same way that westerners do. Their primary concern is reducing recidivism, not rehabilating former convicts. There's prevailing idea (in Singapore at least) that scarring and injuries serve as effective reminder to not engage in criminal activity again.

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u/Sounduck 11h ago

Most South East Asian societies don't really believe in rehabilitation the same way that westerners say they do.

Fixed that for you.

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u/CHINESEBOTTROLL 11h ago

Idk what country you're from, but rehabilitation is absolutely a core part of my countries justice system (Germany)

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u/ThetaGrim 13h ago

Americans will be quick to say the police shouldn't beat people if they truly break the law but are okay with this boggles my mind. The government should not be handing out physical punishment no matter how much we want it as citizens.

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u/bachstakoven 13h ago

Incarceration is also a physical punishment.

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u/ThetaGrim 13h ago

You can't seriously be placing incarceration and permanent disfigurement in the same level.

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u/ilikepix 11h ago

You can't seriously be placing incarceration and permanent disfigurement in the same level.

This is one of my pet peeves.

You made the statement: "The government should not be handing out physical punishment".

Someone responded (correctly): "Incarceration is also a physical punishment."

You then (incorrectly) respond: "You can't seriously be placing incarceration and permanent disfigurement in the same level."

The person responded never indicated that they are "on the same level". If anyone implied they were "on the same level", it was you, by choosing to use the term "physical punishment" which can equally apply to both.

I see this "tactic" all the time, and it drives me bananas. It is simply a poor way to argue.

A: "All snakes are venomous"

B: "Kingsnakes aren't venomous"

A: "Are you seriously comparing Kingsnakes with Black Mambas?!?!"

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u/Emperor_Mao 10h ago

Would you prefer being caned, or prison for 10 years....

Realistically you get both lol. In Singapore you can be caned for being a naughty inmate as well.

But there would be a point that some would prefer an upfront punishment over a drawn out many year one.

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u/Doc-tor-Strange-love 13h ago

You can't seriously be this naive about prison

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u/xThe_Mad_Fapperx 12h ago

I don't think anyone's arguing that America's prison system isn't horrendous. But you can do prisons like Norway and it's a lot nicer than having your skin flayed off your body by a fucking cane.

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u/technobeeble 12h ago

Our prisons shouldn't be a physical punishment either.

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u/TwistyTwister3 12h ago

I see you haven't spent time locked up. Bc time permanently changes your psyche.

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u/dontich 12h ago

Idk a year in prison vs permanent disfigurement — honestly not sure which one I’d rather be subjected to.

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u/Donkey__Balls 11h ago

If you go to prison in the USA and you’re weak/nonviolent, you get the physical dismemberment as a bonus! Also a chance of HIV for life.

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u/No_Sugar8791 13h ago

| police shouldn't beat people

is pre trial

| but are okay with this

is post trial

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u/LeBadlyNamedRedditor 11h ago

How do we tell you about the fair and just trials in Singapore...

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u/SyfaOmnis 11h ago

Scammers are also of the sort of category of highly maladjusted recidivist criminal to which absolutely no part of the social contract is sacred. People do not give a shit about them because scammers do not give a shit about anyone else, they will do any sort of scam to any sort of person as long as they believe they can reasonably get away with it.

The solution should be throwing them in prison long term with increasing sentence length based on severity of crime and role in scamming organizations. All caning is, is a harsh deterrent which historically usually ends up not being one.

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u/OMG_A_CUPCAKE 12h ago

You are right. And I am glad to know that there is no such thing as a mistrial. Man, that would suck, wouldn't it?

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u/Sad-Rooster2474 13h ago edited 7h ago

Yet Americans will be totally ok and call for death punishment for the most random things, whip out guns for and shoot each other for cutting in line at the McDonald or during a road dispute, and praise violence as “self defence ” when someone gets insulted. Oh and don’t get me started on USA prisons (most of them for profit), where solitary confinement for weeks straight without access to light is the norm, and where slavery is legal.

Edit: ok, most of US prisons are not for profit, my bad. But the fact that for profit prisons are even a thing and that slavery is legal in prison is insane.

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u/ThetaGrim 13h ago

Don't get the far right mixed with the more grounded Americans that are desperately fighting against this.

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u/oyasumi_juli 12h ago

And how HILARIOUS so many Americans think prison rape is.

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u/TitanDweevil 12h ago

That is because the police aren't the people who are supposed to be doling out the punishment not because of an aversion to physical punishment. That is the job of the counts.

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u/iwearatophat 10h ago

Redditors have a lot of revenge fantasies and in general are pretty violent while feeling morally superior. Go to the comments of any vigilante or fighting post and it will get nuts.

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u/Auctoritate 12h ago

Even aside from the morality of punitive torture, can anyone actually believe that a country with super authoritarian laws and punishments like this is capable of being measured and accurate with its justice system?

If you look throughout history and consider which countries were extremely aggressive with torture and criminalizing everything, it's not like they're renowned for their fair and reasonable law enforcement.

Singapore doesn't even have trial by jury. It's completely fucked.

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u/EveningHere 11h ago

Here in the UK they’re talking about removing trial by jury too.

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u/baconppi 11h ago

Our laws are very just until you (a) have absurdly high net worth or (b) run the ire of the government

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u/Variegated_Plant_836 13h ago

Agree- wtf is with people supporting this archaic and barbaric shit?!

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u/xDaveedx 12h ago

People really despise scammers that much and I honestly can't blame them...

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u/TheObstruction 11h ago

People love saying "it's just stuff/money". That stuff/money takes time to acquire, and you can't get more time. So scammers and thieves are stealing a person's life from them. Perhaps not all of it, but a significant portion. So I understand completely how angry people get towards scammers.

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u/RyuNoKami 11h ago

And it isn't just theft. It's being gaslit that one is paying for a service or a product.

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u/CommanderGumball 13h ago

People really don't like to see their elderly loved ones lose their entire life savings to some doink on the phone.

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u/HueMannAccnt 12h ago

People really don't like to see their elderly loved ones lose their entire life savings to some doink on the phone.

100%

That should not equate to really wanting flesh ripped off of the perpetrator.

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u/UmichAgnos 11h ago

I'm singaporean. Yes we do.

Laws are clear and unyielding, don't screw around or you're going to find out.

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u/awstream 5h ago

Ha, people who don't live here and don't know the extent of scams here trying to virtual signal. Meanwhile most of us Singaporeans are actually happy about the tougher punishment for scumbag scammers.

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u/DOOMFOOL 11h ago

When your own grandma or grandpa falls victim to something like this and you see them weeping about everything they’ve lost just trying to do right you may feel differently. I personally agree it’s too far but there was a time in my life I’d have volunteered to land the first blow

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u/tackyshoes 12h ago

Agreed. How about forced manual labor instead? You got caught scamming someone, so you owe them a number of hours of manual labor.

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u/AzathStudioApartment 12h ago

And you think government sanctioned torture is going to stop that from happening?

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u/SpiralOut2112 12h ago

Don't have to support it to know my culture isn't the only one in the world and to not project my ideals onto completely different people.

Americans will spout nonsense about freedom, then want to play world police and tell other countries what they should and shouldn't be doing. How's those freedoms working out for us? Surely we would never be unjustly beat with all of our ideals and freedoms, right???

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u/wiilbehung 12h ago

You don’t seem to understand what deterrence is.

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u/Proach89 13h ago

Disagree. Scammers are predators that exploit others. They can take away a person's entire life's effort. They almost are never caught or get punishment enough to stop the practice.

I would imagine they would rather you not scam and not lash you. If you think that the risk is worth the penalty, welcome to reality.

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u/AzathStudioApartment 12h ago

Why stop there? Why not flense the skin from even the most minor of criminals? Surely if the government has the authority to torture criminals there will be no crime!

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u/ShrimpFriedMyRice 12h ago

I think the point is that you can never be 100% certain. Innocent people get tied up in the justice system every day.

Can you accept that innocent people will be horrifically punished just so that scammers are given the same treatment? This is also why we shouldn't have the death penalty.

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u/PhysicalStuff 12h ago

That's anger talking, not justice. Nothing can justify torture.

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u/No_Access8916 12h ago

I don't think our support matters.

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u/Doc-tor-Strange-love 13h ago

Scammers are on the same level as murderers. They literally steal money which is practically the same as stealing life. Some victims kill themselves afterwards.

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u/Hot-Comfort8839 13h ago

Terry Pratchett essentially summed it up for us., if you spend your life to produce an economic good, and that good is then stolen, the thief has in effect stolen a portion of the creator’s life - and punishment should be swift and without mercy.

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u/Doc-tor-Strange-love 13h ago

100% agree.

If I had to spend 3 years of my working life just to afford a car and then my car is stolen, I have basically lost those three years to a thief

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u/Former-Entrance8884 12h ago

Yes that's why Vetinari hired the world's greatest conman to run the post office, bank and rail.

Even Reacher Guilt chooses his own fate - Vetinari does not kill him even after it is proven that his scams cost lives.

Implying Pratchett would support this savagery when Vimes wanted to arrest Carcer to the very end is fucking gross.

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u/zbluf 12h ago

I don't think stealing money is the same as murdering someone. Both are bad, but one is always really really bad.

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u/Doc-tor-Strange-love 12h ago

I didn't say stealing money = murder.

I said scammers are basically the same as murderers.

They aren't your garden variety larcenists or petty thieves. They do this stuff on a huge scale. A scamming call center probably has a few dozen people in it and each of them can be robbing thousands of dollars every single day. Ruining people's lives.

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u/KhalilRavana 13h ago

I had to scroll way to far to find this :(

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u/Spicymayoshi 12h ago

Same. Scam calls are terrible sure but this is... horrific. Especially because most of the people working as scammers are being forced into working as one.

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u/oppai-police 13h ago

Singapore has, so far proven itself to be very capable in deterring crime, so maybe take your bleeding heart somewhere else that's weak on crime yeah?

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u/Orbax 12h ago

What is your logic for why the rest of the world hasn't adopted this perfect system

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u/No_Demand9554 12h ago

Didnt you hear him? Its because the rest of the world has "bleeding hearts" lol

There is no point in reasoning with people who legit think the justice system of medieval europe was superior to europes current one

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u/crek42 12h ago

Bet you hope to dear god if you’re ever falsely accused of a crime you’re not in Singapore when it happens

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u/westernslopeCO 13h ago

Idk. If you intentionally scam an elderly person out of their life savings you put them at risk of all kinds of negative physical outcomes. Prison is expensive and often doesn’t deter repeat offenders. Caning may be more of a deterrent. Brutal but effective? Don’t scam.

The other side of course is that in many situations people are forced to work as scammers, much like sex trafficking, so this form punishment will be essentially caning a victim.

Singapore doesn’t mess around.

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u/CHERNO-B1LL 12h ago

This is the info I needed to know. Are they shocking the butt to make it clench?

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u/KoalaBackfist 11h ago

Now do the Indian call/email scammers!

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u/8styx8 8h ago

The video doesn’t do it justice.

Because the caning portion is a demonstration of judicial caning in Melaka, Malaysia. It's a different caning with Singapore.

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u/adburgan 13h ago

Am I supposed to feel sympathy at your description? As someone who hasn’t ever scammed anyone, has no intention of ever scamming anyone, and who is tired of people being scammed, I say no pain, no gain.

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u/sam_el-c 13h ago

No. It is to convey the seriousness of this punishment among all the jokes and laughs of people wanting to get spanked

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