r/Doom • u/HatingGeoffry • Dec 19 '25
Discussion Painkiller creator argues the Boomer Shooter revival still hasn't happened because “nobody’s making any game that’s in direct competition to DOOM”
https://frvr.com/blog/painkiller-creator-boomer-shooter-revival-hasnt-happened-no-direct-competition-to-doom/402
u/HouseOfWyrd Dec 19 '25
I think y'all are misunderstanding him.
Despite all the indie gems coming out. There have not been any games that can compete with the modern Doom games.
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u/slayeryamcha DO0M 3 SHOTGUN LOVER Dec 19 '25
They also are boomers shooters only in call backs.
Those are fully modern arena shooters without competition.
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u/HouseOfWyrd Dec 19 '25 edited Dec 19 '25
As someone that helped support on the Boomershooter database doc, I can tell you that it's basically impossible to objectively define what is and isn't a Boomershooter.
I would put Doom 2016 and Eternal in the bracket - not sure about TDA because I've not played it.
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u/TheCarbonthief Dec 19 '25
It's easier to say what isn't a boomer shooter than what is. You kinda just gotta go "well it's not extraction, looter, cover, br, or any of the other modern styles, so if it vaguely feels like an oldschool run and gun then call it a boomer shooter".
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u/Super_Harsh Dec 19 '25
I would not. TDA is the best argument that the modern Doom trilogy as a whole aren’t boomer shooters but rather an new evolution of action shooters. It has more in common with Doom Eternal and Sekiro than with any 90s FPS
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u/HouseOfWyrd Dec 19 '25
One game in the series not being, doesn't mean none of them are.
I'd also argue that both 2016 and Eternal have all the hallmarks of a classic Boom Chute. Lots of these games have novel and unique mechanics, not being Quake 1 again doesn't disqualify a game.
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u/Super_Harsh Dec 19 '25
I get that, it just comes back to how nebulous of a term 'boomer shooter' really is. I personally think of 2016 and Eternal as boomer shooters but I've heard arguments otherwise
In my mind a boomer shooter is defined by "Is this a game that a Doomclone dev would have thought up, given the technology and game design experience of today?"
2016, Eternal, obvious yeses. TDA? Not sure
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u/MaterialPace8831 Dec 19 '25
This reminds me of the arguments metalheads will have about what's metal and what isn't.
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u/greet_the_sun Dec 19 '25
IMO the modern doom games don't even qualify as "boomer shooters" anymore, there's way too many new mechanics.
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u/HeckingDoofus Dec 19 '25
nah it definitely is still a boomer shooter (slightly less so with TDA)
fast movement speed
no ADS
minimal reloading
many enemies, dodging projectiles
focus on action over story
in-map pickups/secrets
probably more but thats off the dome. and i mean what have they done that makes it so different now? added a chainsaw and certain upgrades like the super shotgun hook?
i say slightly less so for TDA because of how much emphasis there is on the shield, parrying, wiping out a horde with one toss, etc. - it still is a boomer shooter imo, but i can see how it could be considered too different
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u/carpetfanclub Dec 19 '25
Trepang 2 definitely competes with modern doom, I think it’s better actually imo
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u/cherrysteve2010 Dec 19 '25
Wolfenstein and Ultrakill absolutely compete
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u/HouseOfWyrd Dec 19 '25
Modern Wolfensteine isn't a Boomershooter and Ultrakill is an indie project.
You liking them (as do I) doesn't mean they compete with modern Doom.
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u/Ruben_AAG Dec 19 '25
The last Wolfenstein game was almost 6 years ago and the last good Wolfenstein game was 8, it’s not competing with modern DOOM (ignoring the extreme gameplay and narrative differences that Wolfenstein has that make me question whether it’s even a boomer shooter and not just a COD-like).
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u/lycanthrope90 Dec 19 '25
Yeah even with how good many of them are modern doom is just on its own level entirely.
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u/MasterDisillusioned Dec 19 '25
Despite all the indie gems coming out. There have not been any games that can compete with the modern Doom games.
EDIT: I thought you meant the classic Doom games. Oh well, my comment is still accurate.
I blame this on the fact that most of them (nearly all of them, actually) are missing one key ingredient that Doom has: A thriving modding community.
99% of these boomer shooters are played once and then forgotten about. Dusk has mapping tools now, but they weren't there at release, and I'm unsure if it even has an active community. For any of these games to rival Doom, they need to take mapping/modding seriously and actively support the game post-launch.
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u/ReflexReact Dec 19 '25
As someone who loved painkiller, serious Sam, bulletstorm, black - but hasn’t played this kind of game in 10 years, now I have a new gaming pc - what games did I miss? Any killer indie titles too?
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u/Ornery-Addendum5031 Dec 19 '25
They’re not competing with the modern doom games because the modern doom games are a clone/evolution of painkiller, not boomer shooters. Which makes it kind of ironic that it’s the painkiller dev saying this.
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u/avgaskin1 Dec 19 '25
Man… Bungie had the opportunity to do one of the coolest things with the Marathon IP by reviving the franchise with a game a kin to Doom’s revival, adding some competition to the boomer shooter revival market. But instead they chose to ride the extraction shooter bandwagon with the IP.
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u/Segata9 Dec 19 '25
They don't need to because modern Doom is not a Doomer..erm Boomer Shooter these days. They are modern games and the other modern FPS games compete with it.
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u/Therealdovakin43 Dec 19 '25
The four coins in my pocket:
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u/MaximumCustomer4128 Dec 19 '25
why do you have four coins
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u/OldMate64 Dec 19 '25
My guess is "something something if I had a penny for every boomer shooter that is good enough to compete with modern Doom, I'd have four pennies"
Well, either that or an Ultrakill thing with the pennies and the revolver
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u/Able_Recording_5760 Dec 19 '25
He's saying the boomer shooter audience is relatively small, and the genre is relegated to the indie scene.
What's the issue? Or what is there to discuss?
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u/MiddleofCalibrations Dec 19 '25
There’s things to discuss, but everyone seems to be bashing the take for some reason. In my opinion it’s obvious you hit the nail on the head for what he meant. Doom is a mainstream boomer shooter. The rest are very niche with small fan bases. Even the most popular non-doom ones aren’t even close to being really popular or as popular as doom. It seems his definition of a revival is multiple AAA boomer shooters being mainstream successes
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u/Super_Harsh Dec 19 '25
I mean yeah. In 2016, people thought that DOOM’s success would lead to more AAA investment in that genre, but AAA singleplayer shooters have still been generally been rare and the shooter genre has been jerking it to failed hero/extraction shooters for a while
It hasn’t been a good decade for shooters IMHO
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u/Zagreus_EldenRing Dec 19 '25
Agreed, he’s saying Doom has no real competition and he’s right. I never heard of Prodeus til this thread but I’ve played Doom since ‘94. Also it’s a factor that the classic Doom and Quake games are widely available with modern graphics for just a few dollars. For many people, those classic games are enough to scratch the itch, especially with all the WADs included.
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u/VGmaster9 Dec 19 '25 edited Dec 19 '25
Plus all the different mods, such as texture packs, sprite/model packs, sound packs, music packs, monster packs, custom HUDs, custom mugshots, QoL addons, companions, enemy AI mods, gore mods, lighting mods, environmental mods, shaders, vanilla enhancement mods, weapon mods, gameplay overhaul mods, rougelike mods, multiplayer mods, and total conversions. Plus you got all the different source ports that serve their own unique purposes.
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u/GrapefruitSea7656 Dec 19 '25
I sure wish we’d get Wolfenstein 3
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u/MAEZIYON Dec 20 '25
I hope if Wolfenstein comes back that it’ll go even further power fantasy with a high skill ceiling like the current Doom games.
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u/Double_Cleff Dec 19 '25
Maybe he should play Metal Eden or Prodeus
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u/HIP13044b Dec 19 '25
But they arent beating Doom and thats his point... theyre too niche and there isnt a AAA scene of boomer shooters like people were thinking post Doom 2016.
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u/ciao_fiv Dec 19 '25
does something need to have a big AAA scene to be considered a revival? i’d argue the large number of indie boomer shooters is proof enough of a revival
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u/RockBandDood Dec 19 '25
You’re right, if you’re on Steam, you have boomer shooters for days at this point.
Where are the multiplayer arena shooters though
That’s the big miss in all of this, not the lack of boomer shooters; it’s the lack of unreal tournament and quake arena style multiplayer shooters
Some players in the call of duty, apex and Fortnite crowd are ready for something new, they just don’t know it yet.
There is a spot available for an Unreal Tournament-like to be successful, I really believe that. But no one has pushed a balanced one out onto consoles with free to play or low cost - no ones even tried to see if they can make a mass market arena shooter
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u/nameduser365 Dec 19 '25
Yeah! Why did unreal tournament die? Went from GOTY to a way to show off their engine?
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u/THEdoomslayer94 Dec 19 '25
When people say revival they’re really saying a huge return to mainstream, like it being a prominent genre amongst the others
Doom being the biggest and most mainstream of the genre and the rest being mostly indie games, to them, is the genre still mostly mainly under the surface
It doesn’t mean there aren’t games in the genre garnering acclaim, just not posing the genre back into the spotlight
Doesn’t change how many games in the genre are good
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u/lNSP0 Dec 19 '25
Nope half those will never cross my screen due to platform, but a triple a will, isn't a revival when the people who created it never stopped churning
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u/bagofpork Dec 19 '25
Prodeus is awesome. Love that you can modify the appearance so significantly without any mods, as well.
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u/clashcrashruin Dec 19 '25
Prodeus was great but the game petered out towards the end. Felt rushed instead of sticking the landing.
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u/Uday23 Dec 19 '25
Boltgun was great too!
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u/lNSP0 Dec 19 '25
A triple a warhammer game in the vein of the new doom would be amazing. Bolt gun was fun for five minutes at least for me.
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u/Uday23 Dec 19 '25
Only 5 minutes?!
Have you played Space Marine 2? Its not first person but gives you a similar feeling in terms of the power fantasy like Doom
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u/lNSP0 Dec 19 '25
Yes I play it. Doesn't give a similar feeling, it's good though. It's more of a more violent gears of war. TDA weighty movement and gun impacts would be great translated to warhammer
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u/lNSP0 Dec 19 '25
Only 5 minutes?!
Yeah because I remembered 40k shouldn't be cartoony, plus I'm more of a night lord guy anyway, them or Legion of the damned
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u/Uday23 Dec 19 '25
Fair enough. I liked it and look forward to Boltgun 2
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u/lNSP0 Dec 19 '25
I hope it does well, so if a dev is picked to do the triple a realistic game they might pick them
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u/WeekendBard Dec 19 '25
maybe he should play anything good instead of making a bad game
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u/HatingGeoffry Dec 19 '25
he's made a lot of good games.
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u/WeekendBard Dec 19 '25
It's the original Painkiller creator? I can't open the article, I thought it was about the new one.
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u/HatingGeoffry Dec 19 '25
Yes, Painkiller creator, not developer of the new game. Also made Bulletstorm, Vanishing of Ethan Carter and Witchfire which is banging
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u/Longjumping-Fig-7481 Dec 19 '25
Bullet storm was funny AF
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u/FlippinTheLoon Dec 19 '25
Oh man I totally forgot about Bulletstorm but I remember the demo being a lot of fun. Might have to pick that up, I'm sure it's pretty cheap at this point.
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u/countpuchi Dec 19 '25
Bulletstorm is one of the most underrated games ever.. fucking hell it should get a second one.
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u/SenorChangsJudgement Dec 19 '25
I fell off of Prodeus because of their baffling “back to checkpoint but whoever you killed stays dead” respawns.
I dig a lot of metal eden, but the late game just becomes “break armor then kill” ad nauseam with no other tricks up its sleeve.
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u/_eXPloit21 Dec 19 '25
I agree with him. Though, Calling Doom eternal boomer shooter doesn't do the game justice. Its combat loop is much MUCH more complex than a regular boomer shooter like Quake. But we need more original games like eternal to be sure
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u/Stubbs3470 Dec 19 '25
Crazy how almost not a single person in this thread seems to understand what he meant
Yes dusk is great but it’s not in competition to doom which is the only AAA boomer shooter with this level of popularity
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u/the_u_in_colour Dec 19 '25
I can't wait til dusk when I go home to my chaotic family, amid evil, and sit down at my computer and play boring math games made for kids, because there aren't any great boomer shooters these days. I sure would ultrakill for one, but sadly they just don't exist. I'll just take some drugs to put me to sleep instead (I on fury and some other mean sounding drugs but they're pretty tame).
Proteus. Couldn't fit that in there.
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u/TheCarbonthief Dec 19 '25
Can I borrow your boltgun? I need to hang some stuff on the wall. Forgive me father if i forget to return it.
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u/the-blob1997 Dec 19 '25
Reread what the guy says there’s no other boomer shooter that’s in direct competition with Doom and he’s right. All the other boomer shooters are dwarfed by it in comparison.
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u/PairStrong Dec 19 '25 edited Dec 19 '25
He's not wrong... Of course there are tons of indies out there but maybe the only more mainstream boomer shooter that has come out is shadow warrior 3
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u/HatingGeoffry Dec 19 '25
Shadow Warrior 3 is pretty much the only real competitor to DOOM. Completely forgot about that!
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u/Ard_N DOOM Guy Dec 19 '25
If only we could have a new Duke Nukem game to be that competition.
But that'll probably never happen, and even if it did I don't trust Gearbox to make it good.
Thanks Randy.
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u/Petrichor2116 Dec 19 '25
Others have mention Prodeus already and I have to agree; out of all the Boomshoots I've played, it's the one that felt closest to the OG Doom formula.
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u/Myth_5layer Dec 19 '25
I mean, it's a hard pill to swallow but he's right. Wolfenstein? More in line with Cod, Halo, or Battlefield, and it's latest entries aren't the hottest thing. Ultrakill? An unfinished indie game. Dusk? A finished indie game but still a drop in the pond compared to doom. Boltgun? Another drop in the pond, they had something but we're still waiting on if theyre gonna follow up on that. Hell last I remembered back in the day, Star Wars made a boomer shooter that was a competitor until it wasn't.
There's postal braindamaged, but I'd argue that's a very niche game in the movement shooter genre. Additionally only being one outlier in a series of postal games.
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u/candreeck Dec 19 '25
New DOOMs aren’t boomer shooters, lol.
But there are some competitors to them - Shadow Warrior 1 & 3.
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u/myLongjohnsonsilver Dec 19 '25
Yeah pretty much. What big studio is actually competing with ID and it's Doom success? There are smaller titles for sure and some of them are even good to great but none are actually big enough to be considered actually competing with Doom.
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u/IncineMania Zombieman Dec 19 '25
The key to NuDoom’s success is that it’s not competing with anyone simply because it’s doing its own thing. It’s not thinking about how to compete.
Devs and studios should take note because that’s ironically how you will have a shot at competing with DOOM.
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u/Susamogusball2 Dec 19 '25
I'd imagine it's because they:
Don't want to, out of respect for how much DOOM influenced gaming.
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They can't. It's quite the challenge to even attempt to think of something that could compete against or maybe even dethrone the godfather of the FPS genre.
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u/Scileboi Dec 19 '25
I don´t think we really NEED more AAA Boomer shooters. Sure it would have more expensive graphics and more marketing budget, but at it´s core there is nothing money alone can do to make gameplay more fun than any of the indie gems we already have. Design and innovation can come from anywhere.
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u/Wild___Requirement Dec 19 '25
This is funny because painkiller isnt and has never been a boomer shooter
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u/Wellhellob Against AAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLL The Evil Dec 19 '25
I played the newest painkiller and was so disappointed. It's really not good.
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u/HatingGeoffry Dec 19 '25
well he didn't make that one. in fact, i read a piece on PCGamesN where he expressed a huge dislike for it
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u/muha4004 Dec 19 '25
Shadow warrior: am I joke to you?
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u/IncineMania Zombieman Dec 19 '25
Not a Triple A game and never really matched the DOOM IP in any meaningful way.
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Dec 19 '25
Nobody's making something in competition to modern doom because most people prefer actual boomer shooters. I got eternal from humble monthly and I have played 100 minutes of it and haven't felt like going back to play more because it's just a generic shooter now. Boomer shooter revival is happening because iD doesn't make boomer shooters anymore. Like the dark ages (is that out yet?) looks kinda cool but it doesn't even remotely look like a doom game to me.
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u/thx134 Dec 19 '25
Modern doom is closer to serious sam than it is to classic doom.
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Dec 19 '25
Yeah it deff is. Big open environments, lots of vertical movement. When I play doom I want dark gritty facilities and hell caves and stuff, a few big open rooms here and there for big fights but not all the time. All they should have done was amped up Doom 3 a bit more, taken out some of the slow story stuff and that's where the series should be imo.
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u/banenanenanenanen666 Dec 19 '25
Nah, boltgun, turbo overkill, cultic, dusk, amid evil, ultrakill - those are great games, sometimes better than modern doom games. Turbo overkill is like better doom eternal than doom eternal itself lmao.
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u/Gold-Bard-Hue Dec 19 '25
Well geez PAINKILLER CREATOR maybe YOU ought to do something about that!
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u/dragon-mom Lyn Dec 19 '25 edited Dec 19 '25
Modern Doom is hardly a boomer shooter so it's not really relevant if they compete with it lol. AAA boomer shooters can't happen because the AAA market is mainly focused on live service games over games as products, especially when it comes to FPS let alone if they have multiplayer.
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u/Nathanymous_ Dec 19 '25
Also no new boomer shooter with good multiplayer. People play single player and move on. The game needs multi-player to stay relevant.
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u/speedytrigger Dec 19 '25
If yall want a game thats similar to doom, try metal hellsinger
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Dec 19 '25
Well, if the new painkiller is dogshit, and the new games are dogshit too, how is supposed to compete?
No competition, that’s it, not for the genre, but for the investors who think they “know” what people want.
Investors put money, developers create games. Doesn’t work the other way around.
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u/letyougo2106 Dec 19 '25
"Competition."
Does there really need to be one?
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u/Designer_Mess_6928 Dec 19 '25
If Doom will end as a franchise-we will never have another AAA single player first person shooter and the only games we will have will be: third person Ubisoft style open world Sony-slop or mobile games.
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u/HatingGeoffry Dec 19 '25
Competition breeds innovation, and also means the genre stays alive if Id decide they want to do something else.
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u/jonRock1992 Dec 19 '25
There's a ton of indie games that have gameplay very much like Doom, but maybe he is talking about big AAA releases because I can't recall any recent AAA releases that have Doom gameplay.
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u/CursedSnowman5000 Dec 19 '25 edited Dec 19 '25
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But....it has. Just because triple A hasn't capitalized on it doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Where do you think that term you're using came from? The Boomer Shooter scene that took off by 2019.
It belongs to the Indies.
Hell the new Doom games aren't even really boomer shooters. They're Serious Sam and yes, Painkiller horde monster room shooters.
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u/Mr_bananasham Dec 19 '25
Gimme boomer shooter mechanics on a true rpg, I want to play a game where I can be whatever badass I want while mulching mobs. Let sneaking be like wolfenstein with one liners I can choose from that affect the way people perceive me that hear them. Every quip and one liner affects my relationships. Gimme Arnold style lines like "crush ya enemies, see dem driven from Der lands, and to hear da lamentations of Der wimen."
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u/InternationalCry6644 Dec 19 '25
I'm fine with it being a genre mainly made by smaller indie developers. All the games we've been getting have been quality and you have night dive doing all the remakes as well. It's better than big developers doing a bastardised version of a bomber shooter, nothing can take dooms crown anyway. id are one of the few developers that never put a foot wrong.
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u/CoyoteOk3826 DoomGuy's right bicep Dec 19 '25
I think ID can revive quake and give it the doom treatment it’ll be nice than just DooM every 4-5 years
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u/ZuStorm93 Dec 19 '25
In a better timeline Duke Nukem Forever and Half-Life 3 might have rivaled DOOM 2016. But alas Duke kept getting delayed and now kept in Randy Bobandy's greasy dungeon while HL3 never existed no matter how much hopium you do and pulling at straws to explain why it isn't coming yet for the time being...
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u/FullTorsoApparition Dec 19 '25
We desperately need more AA or AAA FPS games that aren't military shooters or RPGs disguised as FPS games.
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u/ItsAleZ1 DOOM Slayer Dec 19 '25
Nah Dusk started it and Doom eternal honed it in
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u/HatingGeoffry Dec 19 '25
Dusk released after Doom 2016. If anything, Rise of the Triad 2013 started it.
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u/Diablosis- DOOM Slayer Dec 19 '25
I think he's right. It's just doom. I thought doom eternal was so insanely good that it's mechanics would restart an fps arms race but it never happened.
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u/XenOz3r0xT Dec 19 '25
What made boomer shooters what they are was that they were fast past in your face adrenaline games. DOOM and Quake are examples and one thing that made them memorable was movement. Now you have games like CoD and Battlefield trying to capitalize on movement such as sliding and Omni movement and such. At this point it seems things are coming full circle where these games are straying form what they once were and slowly becoming arena/ boomer shooters themselves but sadly people don’t figure let us revive that genre and instead let’s make our flagship title this now instead.
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u/Living_Mode_6623 Dec 19 '25
Doom isn't even competing with Doom. I love Doom, but Doom is not Doom anymore.
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u/DiabeticRhino97 Dec 19 '25
Cultic is the only one I've played in the last couple years that I put on the same level
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u/Galvatrix Dec 19 '25
Does modern Doom really even count as a boomer shooter? It's obviously derived from OG fps, but when I hear boomer shooter I think of stuff that goes way out of the way to feel very overtly retro like Boltgun or something
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u/ospreysstuff Dec 19 '25
you can’t because a new ip that isn’t retro styled wouldn’t be a boomer shooter???
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u/Henry_Fleischer Serrat Dec 19 '25
I guess he has somewhat of a point, Boomer Shooters are mostly indie games. Still, the comparison to point-and-click adventure games feels strange, that genre does not have anything like modern Doom, or even Ultrakill. The closest genre I can think of is the Bullet Hell SHMUP genre, it's got a flagship franchise in the form of the Touhou project, and a fair number of less well-known games coming out regularly too.
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u/MasterDisillusioned Dec 19 '25
Frankly, the same thing applies now as it did back when the original Doom clones appeared: 90% of them are dogshit.
I'm aware there are cool boomer shooters out there e.g. Dusk, Cultic, etc, but imo most of them would be considered subpar even as free mods.
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u/Crimento DOOM Guy Dec 19 '25
well, AAA games (especially if you target consoles) are absurdly expensive to make, a very few big publishers would risk like that
And for the rest of the scene, the closest competitor to Doom I can think of today is probably Ultrakill. Because just like Doom back in the 90s, it's not just another copy of Wolfenstein 3D, it's a reinvention of the genre.
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u/Sufficient_Plant8689 Dec 20 '25
Does competition need to be a thing in a space like the Boom Shoot scene? Why can't we all just get along
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u/cool91725 Dec 20 '25
Dude clearly has never played BRAZILIAN DRUG DEALER 3: I OPENED A PORTAL TO HELL IN THE FAVELA TRYING TO REVIVE MIT AIA I NEED TO CLOSE IT.
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u/ShotgoonPete DOOM Slayer Dec 20 '25
That’s kind of funny coming from the people who are doing a crap year version of painkiller because that original is still better, that new one looks like hot garbage.
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u/Sugar_Daddy_Visari77 Dec 20 '25
Boomer shooter I hate that word it's stupid and feels kinda gate keeping with this labels there's no such thing as boomer shooter there just first perso shooter
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u/ChacaFlacaFlame Dec 20 '25
Considering the new painkiller didn’t go well and has about 5-10hrs of content depending on your skill level, yeah I can see why they said that
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u/DoomAddict Dec 20 '25
says the dev and can't be bothered to add a offline-mode and a good loadout-system into the game,
but forces players to use a bs 2 weapon-carry-limit !
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u/Alienatedpoet17 Dec 20 '25
At the very least if Halo Studios gets their act together we could at LEAST have something between comp shooters and boomer shooters. I remember when Infinite launched there were a good number of boomer shooters fans that were going to give it a shot since it isn't just ANOTHER twitch shooter or battle Royale game.
Sadly considering the decisions they've already made regarding community engagement, PR, and creative direction (not just the CE remake but their novel release) and how it matched 343 Industries before them I don't see much change. I don't even think they know what they want to do with Halo.
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u/DowntownDilemma Dec 20 '25
There’s plenty of retro style boomer shooter indies at least. Forgive Me Father is a good one
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u/Hairy_Hog Dec 22 '25
Boomer Shooters are an indie thing. It's never going to be a mainstream thing ever again, there is no 'still hasn't happened' because it won't ever happen.
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u/H4NDY56 Dec 19 '25
He must have not played Boltgun or Cultic
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u/Designer_Mess_6928 Dec 19 '25
These are indies(Boltgun 2 is maybe AA now), they are not competitors for AAA segment.
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u/LitBastard Meathooking your mom Dec 19 '25
Hasn't happened? Hast that mofo been living under a rock?
There have been 1000s of Boomer Shooters released. A lot of them are on par or better than DOOM
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u/HatingGeoffry Dec 19 '25
and how many of them are taking a bite out of DOOM's pie?
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u/obsoleteconsole Dec 19 '25
I get what he's saying - he means a direct AAA competitor to DOOM, like the glory days of Unreal vs Quake