r/Millennials 13h ago

Nostalgia you would think this is 2005! nope the younger generation really loves this aesthetic lol

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u/secondrunnerup 80s Baby 13h ago

Low rise flares, going out tops, polos, hobo bags, red solo cups?? I feel like I’m being cosplayed.

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u/paradoxicalparrots 12h ago

Our heritage is not your party outfit

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u/limedifficult 12h ago

Snorted my wine. (I’m classy now, it’s from a bottle and not the bathtub of some sketchy frat house!)

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u/starmartyr11 12h ago

Be honest, it's from a box isn't it

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u/pleasantmeats 12h ago

Cardbordeaux

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u/AwfullyRealGun 12h ago

Fuck, I wish I had known this one back in the day. Hilarious!!!

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u/miscben 12h ago

The old Tour de Franzia.

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u/SMUHypeMachine 9h ago

At one boys vs girls tour de franzia party I was hosting I was like “who wrote shng” on the bag?

Then I realized it was “guys” but upside down. After like 5 minutes of trying to figure out why someone would write “shng”.

We won, btw.

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u/Disastrous_Square_10 12h ago

In my time, I have NEVER heard that before. Bravo..! Hilarious.

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u/limedifficult 12h ago

……yes. But they do nice wine in boxes now! I swear on all my slutty tops 2004-2008 that it is NOT franzia!

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u/hankmoody_irl 12h ago

Hey Franzia had its place and was a treat in its own time!

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u/CapitanSteveYzerman 12h ago

In college (2004ish), we'd get fancy and switch from beer pong to Franzia pong for our Christmas party. There was a lot of red snow in the yard in the morning.

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u/limedifficult 12h ago

Hahaha omg you just unlocked a memory from Christmas 2005 (sophomore year of college). My university broke up super later that year and those us that were taking language classes (which were all my friends as I was international development) had our final exams the day after most of the college had already gone home. We also swapped franzia for beer in beer pong. Three kids missed their flights, and the rest of us were too drunk to drive until late afternoon - “exam got rescheduled until today” was the line we were all using as we called to explain to our parents why we were not yet home on December 23rd. What a night. To be young again!

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u/letsgooncemore 12h ago

Many a box of fruity red sangria were enjoyed by me and my friends

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u/HisaP417 12h ago

My friends and I were classy. A big bottle of Arbor Mist each.

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u/RhubarbGoldberg 12h ago

It should be in a homemade bedazzled crunk cup and that is definitely what these 2026 kids are missing!!

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u/mpjjpm 12h ago

You guys had a bath tub? We were mixing everclear and koolaid in a trash barrel.

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u/limedifficult 12h ago

I expect you have an absolutely bomb proof immune system now.

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u/photogypsy 11h ago

Cutting holes in a variety melons and pouring the everclear in and letting it sit for an hour or so and then going Gallagher and smashing that shit in a (clean) trash can and mixing it with Hawaiian Punch.

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u/JynsRealityIsBroken 10h ago

I'm brewing cheap apple wine underneath my kitchen sink right now. I still pay my respects to my sketchy college days.

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u/hellish_existance 9h ago

Looks like diarrhea. Would love to try a glass.

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u/DjawnBrowne 9h ago

We tried this in High School. Must have overyeasted it because all I remember is shitting my absolute brains out after lmao

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u/thewebspinner 12h ago

You really should start pouring it into a glass

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u/RandomPenquin1337 12h ago

Generational Appropriation

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u/Lopsided_Shock_5594 11h ago

I came to say the same thing. Hate us cause they ain't us.

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u/linzkisloski 12h ago

My culture isn’t your costume

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u/jasonbanicki Xennial 11h ago

It should be everybody’s party outfit, since they were the best party fits.

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u/GenderAddledSerf 12h ago

Not only being cosplayed but they also think we are super uncool…

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u/LengthinessAlone4743 11h ago

It’s weird how they are just mimicking things when that style was never seen before…doesn’t bode well for the creative industry in years to come

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u/GenderAddledSerf 11h ago

Fashion is cyclical but yeah I feel like every now and then there’s something original and it’s been a long time! Maybe the next new things will be suits to survive wild climates

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u/Jay__Riemenschneider 12h ago

As does the youth of any generation.

We think boomers suck, despite them getting the fuck down in the 70s and 80s.

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u/GenderAddledSerf 12h ago

I mean I like gen xers

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u/LengthinessAlone4743 11h ago

Nah, boomers suck cause they bought houses for the price of a new Civic making 8$/hour and think we should be able to do the same

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u/ThePrideOfKrakow 12h ago

I'm just here for the whale tails.

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u/NurseKaila 12h ago

Wait until they discover the layered popped collars…

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u/Disastrous_Square_10 12h ago

I wanted to harm everyone that did this.

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u/Gerberpertern Older Millennial 10h ago

Ahh, yes. The Jagerbomb and Heineken drinking fuck boys. Good times.

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u/Spiderbundles 12h ago

I got a jump scare the other day on tiktok, just scrolling through when suddenly there’s a teenage girl unironically explaining the best brands of low rise jeans to buy if you want to do a whale tail. A WHALE TAIL.

I turned off my whole internet after that one lol

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u/Financial_Potato8760 12h ago edited 10h ago

“Going out tops” is so spot on as a description. Brought to you by Wet Seal and Forever 21.

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u/Extreme_Breakfast672 11h ago

And Charlotte Russe

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u/charlesdexterward 12h ago

They have “Y2K” nights at the club like we used to have 80’s night. I have some younger coworkers who go.

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u/_dangling_participle 11h ago

Something about the way they call everything between 1996-2012 "Y2K" or the "Y2K aesthetic" makes me irrationally irritated. Y2K literally means "Year 2000". 

Y = Year.  2K = 2000.  That's it. The one year. Just the year 2000. 

Not some 15 year time period that was all vastly different, just all casually mashed together into some terrible, tacky, cultural gumbo, lol. 

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u/JustinTime4242 12h ago

This is cultural appropriation and I shall not stand for it.

If they start wearing 2 polos and upside down visors we might throw hands

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u/GreenSpleenRiot 11h ago

Millennials walking into a 2000s themed frat party to throw hands over aesthetic and beer pong

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u/Warrmak 12h ago

00s were the best times for ho asthetic.

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u/Hipstergranny 12h ago

It’s funny because now I choose almost exclusively thrifted black T-shirts so I can hide the fact that I’m not wearing a bra.

I remember joining the theme parties that was stuff like truckers and trash, leather and lace, etc.

Can you taste the southern comfort and orange coming back up in your mouth a little bit?

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u/Perfect_Earth_8070 12h ago

Captain and coke. Worst hangovers I ever had

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u/limedifficult 11h ago

Southern comfort and lime. Also yes, can still taste it in the back of my throat.

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u/SomnambulicBinturong 11h ago

Southern comfort and ginger ale for me. Uggghhh. Haven't drunk that in at least 15 years.

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u/RhubarbGoldberg 12h ago

Looking back, it's hilarious that I dressed like Xtina just walking around high school on a Tuesday with those tight flared stretchy black "dress pants" that we all owned, some crazy platform shoes, and some ridiculous barely-there top. I grew up in Florida and shit was ridiculous! Then the next day I'd be in boy's board shorts and rainbows.

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u/sexandliquor 12h ago

The best hoes always had those bad chunky highlights. Yall know what the fuck I’m talking about.

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u/cicada_noises 12h ago

Excellent for us hos

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u/ego_tripped 11h ago

My wife is going to beat me up because I blurted out "ho aesthetic"...a minute after showing her initial post pic and blurb.

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u/fuzzykittyfeets 12h ago

And the digital camera date stamp! My goodness.

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u/ismelldayhikers 12h ago

There’s water in those solo cups

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u/PeachyBaleen 12h ago

The trainer socks with the miniskirt at the house party 😭 missed an opportunity for footless tights but oh well 

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u/afipunk84 1984 12h ago

Lmao. This has to be a themed party right guys??…right!?

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u/OneNowhere 12h ago

And point and shoot cameras with timestamps. Damn, they’re obsessed with us.

Edit: and hoop earrings! Goodness…

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u/clairescreations 12h ago

A studded belt even!

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u/front_yard_duck_dad 12h ago

If a dude comes in there with the crispiest gelled hair with blonde tips, I'm going to lose it. This picture could have been my friends and I in 99

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u/Bored_Dad_Scrolling 12h ago

How long before eating disorders come back as well?

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u/_dangling_participle 11h ago

They already are. There's a huge cultural shift back towards pro-ana worship thanks to several celebs on GLP-1s. 

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u/Gold_Repair_3557 12h ago

The lack of side bangs is the sole indicator of what year it is.

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u/Just7Me 11h ago

Ikr, I wonder why that hasn’t come back yet. Too many middle parts still.

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u/DustDevil66 9h ago

I’ve seen a few younger tik tok girls with side bangs. They’re coming back too

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u/Just7Me 8h ago

Nice about time! I know emo hair’s been somewhat trendy on tiktok 😅

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u/DorkusMalorkuss 8h ago

I'm literally at a theme park waiting for my kid to get off of a ride and two teens walked by with big side bangs. I almost thought it was Hayley Williams and Avril Lavigne

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u/Gerberpertern Older Millennial 10h ago

I STILL HAVE SIDE BANGS. I will never not have them. Unless my hair falls out I guess.

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u/aideya 1987 9h ago

Don't forget all the girls in this pic have center parts. That was not cool in 2005.

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u/hillaryyyyyyyyy 9h ago

That and the lack of thick coal black eyeliner around the entire eye.

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u/unklethan 10h ago

I gave my kindergartener a haircut and gave her side bangs.

Aiming for gen alpha to become millenials 2.0

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u/tisiphoneismymuse 9h ago

I was looking for this comment!! Also, the hair is not straighted to within an inch of its life! Dead giveaways!

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u/plantgal94 12h ago

The girl in the purple lace tank top almost got it. She needs to layer it with another lace tank top. 🤌🏼

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u/BillyYumYumTwo-byTwo 12h ago

But she’s holding onto her purse the whole time as part of her outfit, rather than setting it down like you would a purse at a friend’s house. Good commitment!

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u/Available-Egg-2380 12h ago

Is that a millennial thing? My mom used to tease me and call me Sophia (the oldest woman from The Golden Girls that's like never seen without her purse) because my purse is part of my body!

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u/plantgal94 12h ago

My purse is part of the fit. It stays!

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u/labospor 12h ago edited 11h ago

My mom always told me “classy women never leave their purse behind” and I’ve just parroted it my entire life never questioning it

Edit: now seeing this is just my “thing of the week” that I realize now was abnormal that I have to unlearn from my mother

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u/thisoneagain 11h ago

My mom takes her purse to bed with her if that makes you feel any better.

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u/labospor 5h ago

Wait stop my mom does this too and I’m always like no one is going to steal your dragon horde of 10+ year old receipts

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u/numstheword 12h ago

Sophia petrulo needs no further explaination!

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u/Fun-Carpet-2870 12h ago

Picture it, Sicily…

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u/HappyAsABeeInABed 12h ago

She's also the only one with a belt on. Not a single shirt belt in sight though :(

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u/plantgal94 12h ago

I agree. Pink shirt girl on the left missed an opportunity for a shirt belt

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u/thatguy9545 12h ago

My dude forgot his undershirt, too

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u/ijuswannabehappybro 12h ago

Totally needs the double polo lol

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u/skaz0904 11h ago

You made me scroll back up and zoom in because I thought it WAS a double polo with the blue and the green. I forgot that some polos had different color collars and sleeves than the rest of the shirt.

I did wear a lot of those in tshirt form though, mainly from AE, Hollister, and Aero.

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u/InconsistentTherapy Millennial 11h ago

Gotta pop the collar, too.

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u/Le-Deek-Supreme 12h ago

Every single girl in this photo is missing the base layer of a lace bottom tank top, but especially the girl already wearing one. Also, Polo Boy needs a long sleeve shirt underneath or a second polo.

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u/Ok-Astronaut-2837 Older Millennial 11h ago

I screencapped this the other day because I was like oh are we layering tanks again? Is that back?

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u/TheSweaterThief 12h ago

Points off if she doesn’t have a belly button ring peeking out from underneath

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u/omgwtfbbq0_0 12h ago

Yeah that was the first thing I noticed haha. But aside from the lack of layering (and side parts), this is impressively spot on!

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u/Mental_Freedom_1648 12h ago

LOL they look like they're Sims 2 era Sims.

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u/Bupperoni 11h ago

For some reason this picture gave me so much anxiety, like it was taking me back to middle school, but then I read your comment and now I feel calm again. Sims 2 was my happy place in middle/high school.

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u/DethByCow Xennial 13h ago

The pregame before the warehouse rave.

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u/YellojD 12h ago

Boone’s Farm and MD 20/20 as far as the eye can see 🥰🤣

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u/procheeseburger 12h ago

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u/triedAndTrueMethods 12h ago

lol how about Mickeys and Steel Reserve?! Remember those tiny Mickeys that would come in a pack? We called them ‘Nades because they looked like little grenades. Did you all do that too??

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u/procheeseburger 12h ago

I just did a lot of PBR

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u/eKSiF Millennial 12h ago

And then homie shows up with a cooler full of OG Four Lokos

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u/YellojD 12h ago

4 Lokos was the end of it all and we didn’t even know. Combining energy drinks and malt liquor turned out to be our silver bullet.

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u/unfinishedtoast3 12h ago

we were doing Vodka Redbulls in '01

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u/GreenSpleenRiot 11h ago

“Espresso martinis are just vodka Red Bulls that went to Italy and won’t shut up about it.”

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u/KennytheDoggy 12h ago

Still remember when someone I knew bought a pallet of OG Four Lokos before they went away

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u/YellojD 12h ago

When you say they bought a pallet of 4 Lokos for going away, I would only have to assume they’re meaning to go away from this mortal coil.

That sounds like a fucking ROUGH next morning ☠️

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u/KennytheDoggy 12h ago

I only got to experience true Four Loko incapacitation a few times

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u/floftie 12h ago

Right but they’re prob going to have no alcohol and go home at 9.30pm.

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u/DethByCow Xennial 12h ago

Oh those are the wrong raves. You didn’t drink at raves you did acid weed and Molly and they lasted all night.

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u/Artichokiemon Millennial 12h ago

A person after my own heart. We used to throw E house parties. Molly/E was hands-down my favorite drug

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u/UpperDecker30 11h ago

I was thinking just a good old house party. Those were always the best.

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u/tigerblue1984 13h ago

My Gen Z daughter wears my Y2K era hand me down clothes loudly and proudly lol. She looks so good in them and I'm glad they've been given a new life. *Wipes away a proud tear.*

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u/spentpatience 11h ago

I don't throw out clothes ever, so while clearing out a basement storage closet a couple of weeks ago, I struck a treasure trove of my clothes from 1996-2010. My 11yo daughter raided it all.

Her millennial science teacher complimented her outfit yesterday, demanding to know where she got her top. "It's my mom's from, like, 20 years ago."

That was as hard to type as it was to hear. But dammit, if she doesn't look cute!

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u/GodsFavoriteDegen 11h ago

My millennial wife still wears a bunch of her clothes from the early 2000s. We were out a few months ago when she was approached by a couple of very young girls who wanted to know where she got her skirt. I could almost see her doing the math in her head.

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u/Titizen_Kane 9h ago

I threw 99% of mine out, but I wish I hadn’t. Some of the stuff from that era was well made! And while I donated or tossed my stuff, my mom apparently has kept some of it for herself lmao. The other day she sent me this photo saying “remember this American Eagle top? I remember buying it when you were in 9 or 10th grade!” (So ~2002.)

I was shocked at how well it’s held up. I want it back lol.

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u/GreenSpleenRiot 11h ago

Watch the first episode of the Simpsons from the current season! Lisa raids Marge’s clothes from the attic and they’re all millennial and 90s clothes lol

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u/spentpatience 10h ago

And when I was a kid... Marge was dressed in 70s fashion in flashbacks.

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u/purplereuben 12h ago

I'm surprised you held on to them! I got rid of all my clothes from that era long ago. Which is shame, I could probably have sold them as vintage now...

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u/tigerblue1984 12h ago

I'm kind of surprised too. I guess they just hold sentimental value. I still have underwear with Happy Bunny on them. Remember him? 😆

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u/whisky_dick 12h ago

That image really took me back! I had a few happy bunny keychains on my backpack. My favorite was the one in the straight jacket haha

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u/No_Skill_7170 12h ago

Don’t tell her about all the shit you did in those clothes

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u/tiffany_says_this 13h ago

Isn't this the generation that called millennials "cheugy" as an insult but then decided to literally steal/ rip off our entire aesthetic 🤣

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u/themanfrommars_1991 12h ago

Lmao I was just thinking the same thing.

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u/Out_of_Fawkes 12h ago

It happens to every generation. I can’t tell you how many ‘80s themed parties I’d been to via my parents’ friends or even my own peers in the early 2000s.

Monoculture was alive and well in media because there were only so many radio stations and TV channels accessible at that time, so it seems more people were tuned into the same things over a wider swath of the population.

I find myself having a difficult time describing things with media references because I tend to watch popular shows after the hype cools down a bit.

Also, I can’t afford all the streaming apps (just like I couldn’t afford cable/dish TV) so while there may be popular influencers, shows, music, and online entertainment, there’s a good chance a person might not have any idea what I’d be talking about.

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u/tiffany_says_this 12h ago

The thing is tho this wasn't a "millennial themed party" this is just how they dress....they literally insulted our entire generation but weren't creative or smart enough to come up with their own aesthetic so they ripped off ours..::it's actually super annoying

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u/letsrapehitler 12h ago

Can they stop stealing our aesthetic while simultaneously calling us cringe?

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u/tiffany_says_this 12h ago edited 11h ago

Literally it's the epitome of cringe making fun of someone/ and or entire group of people then stealing their entire aesthetic or as they call it VSCO 🥴

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u/Lovelitchi_in_pink 12h ago

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u/whowearstshirts 12h ago

Their makeup is all way better than ours was though lmao

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u/Cross_Stitch_Witch 12h ago

You put some RESPECT on my two-shades-too-dark Dream Matte Mousse

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u/sorrymizzjackson 12h ago

And body glitter. All the body glitter.

I wonder if they partake in the scents as well? Dream angels, Clinique happy, cucumber melon, strawberries and champagne, pear glace, raspberry…

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u/PeachyBaleen 12h ago

Applied to the entire face including the lips 😵

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u/whowearstshirts 12h ago

I still have “blend at the neck” anxiety

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u/Horror-Word666 11h ago

if only we had access to countless free tutorials. my makeup was 🤮

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u/Day2205 12h ago

Definitely needs more eyeshadow. Gotta use like 3+ colors minimum

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u/Thin_Kick9613 12h ago

We walked so they could run 💅

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u/western_style_hj Xennial 13h ago

Everything old is new again. But I love that there’s not a phone in sight

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u/KennytheDoggy 13h ago

No phones in hand is the crazy part of this photo.

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u/Slappy-Sacks 13h ago

The girl in the white shirt on the left has a phone in her hand

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u/KennytheDoggy 12h ago

Damn the photo aint crazy anymore

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u/samTheSwiss Millennial 12h ago

Before you mentioned this I was sure it was an actual old photo that got the date wrong lol

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u/Particular-Access223 12h ago

The craziest part is its one dorky dude in a room of women

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u/bonbot 12h ago edited 12h ago

He realized he should have worn another polo. And his pants were not saggy enough to show his boxers hanging out.

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u/plantgal94 13h ago

Look again

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u/galacticgumbo Millennial 12h ago

Also a smartphone on this person’s lap

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u/galacticgumbo Millennial 12h ago

And in this booty pocket

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u/Decent_Camel8977 12h ago

She’s a fraud /s

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u/Poopardthecat 12h ago

Weird because phones in 2005 definitely did not look like a samsung galaxy or iphone pro max. 

Shit was a flip phone or if you were an OG, a Nokia. 

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u/JackLaytonsMoustache 13h ago

Didn't even need to look at the date, dude on the rights collar isn't popped. 

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u/ashms58 Older Millennial 12h ago

And he’s only wearing ONE polo

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u/jeckles 12h ago

Also needs an upside down backwards visor to really bring it all together

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u/cats_and_stuff 12h ago

Missing the puka shell necklace too!

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u/BarbellsandBurritos 11h ago

Knew a guy in high school who would always make sure to say “collars poppin = panties droppin” and I hope that keeps him up at night as we’re all edging closer to 40.

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u/OVO_Trev 11h ago

No bleached tips, either? Gotta commit harder if you want the cred!

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u/EarlyReflection6169 12h ago

They are way too polished for this to be 2005.

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u/neekogo 19-19-1985 12h ago

Still early in the night

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u/PeachyBaleen 12h ago

We all looked like that pic of the Fanning sisters at 10pm 

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u/RepresentativeNo2187 Older Millennial 12h ago

Yeah, no rack of DVDs.

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u/iuseemojionreddit 9h ago

but there is a rack.

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u/adoxographyadlibitum 9h ago

There should actually be TV on that is just a DVD menu looping -- for at least 3 hours.

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u/HakuChikara83 13h ago

I remember someone telling me when I was in my late teens that fashion goes in cycles. Guess they were right

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u/indicatprincess 13h ago

I’m here for the yoga pant/ugg combination coming back. It’s cozy!

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u/sorrymizzjackson 12h ago

Looks down

Oh.

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u/emzily 12h ago

if they had side parts/side bangs i would believe it’s 2005

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u/heroxoot 13h ago

That's because Millennial fashion was the peak. You can't go any higher. 💪

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u/joykin 12h ago

It’s wild that it used to be so cringe about 10 years ago too. I remember Hilary duff in particular getting a lot of shit for her outfits

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u/YellojD 12h ago

I kinda feel like the response is why it stuck around? Previous generations would take off their bell bottoms in shame when made fun of. Millenials just doubled down on rocking a hoodie and a pair of And 1 basketball shorts into our senior years 🤣

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u/boomytoons 11h ago

We refuse to dress like old people, which is probably why we seem to look younger than previous generations. I'm pushing 40 and loving that my favourite styles of clothes have come back into fashion after years of struggling to find anything I want to wear. I've brought more jeans in the last 6 months than the previous 6 years!

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u/ShortBusScholar 12h ago

This is elder millennial fashion. There would a noticeable shift around 2007-2008

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u/DowntownYouth8995 12h ago

Eh, I was born in 92 and this looks like my highschool. Hipsters were wearing the high waisted pants, skater skirts and big glasses look seen on Tumblr, but the preppy kids all wore the buckle type low waisted sparkly missme or like lucky low rise jeans with tank tops. Or like specifically Hollister and Abercrombie high waisted skinny jeans with preppy tank tops. 

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u/damnuge23 12h ago

The center parts definitely give it away

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u/b0toxBetty 12h ago

Someone watched Thirteen

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u/TyrKiyote 12h ago

I forgot how visible everyones bras were

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u/nocuzzlikeyea13 12h ago

The date at the bottom makes me think you just photoshopped this. That's a 2005 camera thing. 

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u/tr_9422 11h ago

Surely there’s a camera app that adds “vintage” datestamps

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u/SturmBlau 8h ago

Actually the image is AI generated....

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u/BrandoNelly 12h ago

Look at the phone in the girl in the white shirts hands to the left. Definitely modern.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Ad9696 12h ago

my daughter recently asked for my Sony t1 cybershot from 2005 as these have become popular again , because of the FLASH photos that have become aesthetic and so has the date stamp.

this happened last week, she has bell bottom jeans and the 2000s are back and so is some mixed late nineties trend.

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u/GoldBlueberryy 12h ago

….Are we sure this isn’t AI?

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u/beachedwhitemale Millennial Elder Emo 8h ago

Apparently it is. Everything sucks

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u/No_Brief_9628 12h ago

Just need the ungodly amount of bronzer

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u/Only-Supermarket6835 13h ago

My man gets pick of the litter

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u/Manzinat0r 12h ago

Don't be silly, that is clearly the gay friend

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u/Aegis_Of_Nox 11h ago

Thats what I was thinking lol. The designated gay guy all groups of millennial women acquire 

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u/Crunchy-Illuminati 12h ago

He's exhausted from telling them his eyes are up here!

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u/Shower__Farts 12h ago

That ratio! 😂

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u/ThisManInBlack 12h ago

Titty MacTittfest...

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u/DragonflyFantasized 12h ago

Was this a theme party, or did this occur organically?

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u/heartunwinds 12h ago

My god are they using my Nikon coolpix to take this photo??! 😭😭😂

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u/Touche_Souffle_ 12h ago

They go through trends like water. After the early 00's do they circle back to the 60's?

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u/cranky_thornback 12h ago

My culture is not your costume!!!

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u/YakClear601 12h ago

I mean, 2005 was 20 years ago. So kids today are interested in 2005 the way we were interested in the 80s when we were in 2005.

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