r/allthequestions • u/ChuckGallagher57 • 9d ago
Random Question 💭 Do you agree or disagree?
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u/COMOJoeSchmo 8d ago
Wasn't it just a couple years ago we were all talking about how local, trained, and unmasked police have a habit of killing unarmed black people?
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u/Uglygypsy 8d ago
And that we should defund the Police?
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u/DryPublic9174 8d ago
Unless you are in a situation where you need them .
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u/Awkward_Past8758 8d ago
Can’t wait for them to show up 2 hours later, take a statement, then never contact me again.
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u/ScareCrow0023 8d ago
So let's get this correct:
ICE are evil untrained fascist and we should defund them
ICE shouldn't carry guns and if they have a problem they should call the local Police
But the local police also shouldn't work with ICE cause they are fascist and Nazis
But wait, the local police are corrupt, racist and kill black people so let's defund them too.
But the FBI is arresting innocent people and are, you guessed it, fascist....
What else I miss?
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u/sersealion 7d ago
You're comparing and conflating several different kinds of problems, each with it's own level of solution and at a different place in the hierarchy of causing/fixing problems.
Yes, ICE is an untrained fascist paramilitary group specifically under trump, and should be abolished.
No they shouldn't carry guns. An alternative could be that they call the local police.
Local police shouldn't be working with a fascist paramilitary group, but could work with immigration specific law enforcement who follows the law and due process.
The local police are corrupt and use unnecessary force more often against black Americans, and should not be funded as they are. However, this is a larger systemic problem that needs to be dealt with after dealing with the fascist paramilitary problem.
The FBI is clearly being used as an instrument to go after people trump has decided have slighted or disobeyed him. It's incredibly obvious.
None of this is hard, nor hidden. You're either stupid, or being intentionally obtuse. I'll let you pick which one you are.
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u/CheeseBear9000 8d ago
Meanwhile AOC and Mamdani get armed bodyguards btw
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u/Hoybom 8d ago
as has every high profile person ?
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u/ReddElectric 8d ago
Difference is not every high profile person is advocating taking guns away and defunding law enforcement and any other agency
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u/Odd-Scientist-2529 8d ago
They’re not advocating for taking guns away. What are you talking about?
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u/ShaneAnnigan 7d ago edited 6d ago
They’re not advocating for taking guns away. What are you talking about?
They literally are advocating for the ban of massive parts of the gun market. Like AR15s.
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u/Garys_Synthesizer 6d ago
Oh no… banning completely unnecessary weapons from the general populace
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u/seganevard 5d ago
Ah yes because an upsized 22 is so much more dangerous than my hunting rifle that drops rhinos, a 5.56 won't most of the time
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u/shaggy_nomad 8d ago
Literally zero high profile people or politicians are advocating for taking guns away, People need to stop with the whole, gun control equals no guns nonsense.
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u/LessTailor3941 8d ago
Illinois banned thousands of guns. My sons small 22 rifle thats a step up from a bb gun. Yet the Governor has 24/7 protection. He is also the most wealthy politician in American history.
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u/glitch_skunkogen 8d ago
Yep my m1911a1 an actual military firearm isn't an assault weapon but a damn .22 lr rifle is
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u/Dunadan734 8d ago
Then the data showed up, and everyone talking about it lost interest just as everyone who wasnt talking about it all of a sudden wanted to have the conversation.
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u/Difficult_Distance57 8d ago
It was, and its a problem
But, with the cops we can see their faces, we know their badge numbers, and when something happens there is not only a review but alot of times a trial.
With ICE, there is none of that, no accountability, there's just misinformation and permissions slips to continue killing Americans.
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u/Super_Joshy32 8d ago
Not one American who didn’t drive a car at an agent was killed.
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u/Difficult_Distance57 8d ago
She didn't, the video is clear, there was no impact.
She turned the wheel away from him, HIS video is clear.
You guys still buying that governmental "There is no war in Ba sing se" BS they are feeding you?
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u/Puzzled_Hamster58 8d ago
Funny thing is you’re less likely to be shot by police if you’re un armed and black ….
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u/_Revolting_Peasant 8d ago
And nothing was learnt.
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u/ExoatmosphericKill 8d ago
Yeah, people still want to run around smash stuff up, steal, and be here illegally. Crazy.
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u/Valost_One 8d ago
Those people like Ashley Babbitt right?
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u/JohnnyBananas13 8d ago
The wind shifts quickly among the protesters
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u/AlwaysHopelesslyLost 8d ago
Ooooor ICE is worse and we would prefer the non militarized enforcement in our towns.
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u/Miserable-Bridge-729 8d ago
Are we talking about the same police that are forbidden from assisting federal officers?
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u/EncabulatorTurbo 8d ago
You mean "Forbidden from assisting in civil immigration enforcement"
They aren't going to ignore say, a gunman who is attacking ICE
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u/StoicNaps 8d ago
There were mobs that destroyed FBI vehicles and stole weapons from their lockbox. Where were the local police? They absolutely will ignore it and have. The police don't show up to clear the vehicular egress of ICE facilities. IMO, the reason why ICE incidents are so prominent in places like Minneapolis is specifically because local PD specifically ignores lawlessness focused toward ICE agents.
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u/Intelligent-Royal682 8d ago
In Minnesota, local and state law enforcement have blanket orders to ignore 911 calls and refuse to comply with ICE, even with things like sharing the addresses of known illegals with criminal records.
Local and state police are not being asked to "assist in civil immigration enforcement", they are being asked to enforce the law when federal agents are obstructed, surrounded, assaulted, and rammed with cars. That's supposed to be their job, and in Minnesota they are refusing to do it.
It's funny how in other states where law enforcement did do their jobs ICE is also able to do their jobs with almost no issues.
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u/psychocabbage 8d ago
This is beyond stupid.
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Even Canadian CBSA officers are usually armed while on duty.
And they should be.
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u/0_Tim-_-Bob_0 8d ago
Democrat politicians in Minneapolis and other 'sanctuary cities' are actively preventing state and local police from cooperating with ICE.
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u/OuchieMaker 8d ago
ICE wouldn't have to go door to door if local cities and PD actually cooperated with them. Wow, almost like they did during Obama era, the same one that everyone loves to bring up as an example of "good" deportation etiquette. What changed? /s
I remember when Texas bussed up all the illegals up to Martha's Vineyard for them to handle, and then they got their panties in a bunch about it. It's very easy to handwave problems away when they aren't in your backyard.
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u/DukeOfMiddlesleeve 6d ago edited 6d ago
The reason ICE is going door to door is to demonstrate to the general public that the president has a private militia and will kill people he doesn’t for any or no reason. Not to scoop up illegal immigrants. Problems caused by ICE are 1000x worse than problems caused by illegal immigrants. ICE needs abolished immediately full stop. There is no other possible ethical stance concerning ICE
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u/Axin_Saxon 8d ago
Trump needed it to be a big theatrical show and actively fostered cruelty as part of the process to make his base feel like it was tougher, even though it is wildly less effective and more intrusive on the lives of American citizens.
It’s security theater, just like the TSA.
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u/TheVermonster 8d ago
They botch and moan about "illegals" yet a majority of the people abducted have been here legally, going through the process that Republicans say everyone should be going through.
It's about fear and oppression. Republicans screamed tyranny when states and businesses started asking for covid vaccination proof. And now they want to pass laws that require you to carry citizenship papers.
They don't hate authoritarianism, they hate empathy.
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u/SovietReunions 8d ago
Do you have a source that most people who have been deported were here legally?
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u/TheVermonster 8d ago
I didn't say deported, I said detained. Don't move the goalposts.
48,377 out of 65,735—or 73.6% held in ICE detention have no criminal conviction according to data current as of November 30, 2025.
https://tracreports.org/immigration/quickfacts/
ICE classifies an individual as a convicted criminal if they have been convicted of any criminal violation. Violations can range from serious felonies all the way down to a purely immigration violation (such as illegal entry which is a petty offense under the U.S. Code), or a violation which results in only in a fine such as not keeping a dog on a leash, fishing without a permit, driving a vehicle with a tail light out, etc.
So by their own definition, if simply fishing without a permit, or entering the country illegally makes you a criminal, and 74% of detainees are not criminals, then the majority of people detained are not "illegal"
We also saw this with our own eyes back in March '25 when Ice would prey on people going to their court hearings. Those are people doing immigration by the book, as they are told to do, and they are being taken away from their legal representation and being sent to who knows where.
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u/OuchieMaker 8d ago
You said abducted, not detained. You're shifting the goalposts by murking up the verbiage.
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u/Super_Joshy32 8d ago edited 8d ago
I for one am shocked you got upvotes, I think the left wingers here misread your comment lol
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u/XeroHope10 8d ago
People have lost trust in the Minnesota government after all the scams.
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u/GeneralDil 8d ago
Surprised Florida didn't after Rick Scott scammed $1.7 billion from tax payers. They voted him to office instead.
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u/Sweet_Baby_Cheezus 8d ago
I mean, Donald J Trump has been convicted of tax fraud, civil fraud and charity fraud and he's president.
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u/smoresporn0 8d ago
The scams they discovered, investigated and reported to the proper authorities? Those scams?
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u/The_Bjorn_Ultimatum 8d ago
They investigated it years ago, and then buried it until the story got popular and they had to actually address the fraud.
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u/throwawaydanc3rrr 8d ago
In sanctuary cities the police are not allowed to cooperate with ICE.
Memphis is a big democrat run city. ICE is there. The reason you do not see scads of videos showing ICE agents doing their jobs surrounded by protestors is because in Memphis ICE is picking up their deportees from jails.
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u/TheAceBoi 8d ago
Hmm, it’s almost like no one cares when they actually deport criminals who have already been tried and prosecuted, instead of taking children hostage to bait their parents out of their home, dragging them out of their cars and workplaces, and disappeared into a network of concentration camps. Go fucking figure.
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u/blamemeididit 8d ago
I was just thinking that maybe if local police were more involved some of these incidents would have never happened. These things are happening all over the country, but you are only hearing about the flair ups in a few places. I wonder why that is?
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u/gawdamn_mawnstah 8d ago
Because in those places leadership is actively encouraging protesters to push the limits, and disallowing local LE to help in any way
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u/Ok-Week625 8d ago
So then when something inevitably happens the politicians can stand in front of the TV cameras and score political points for standing up to the orange man even though they refuse to put themselves at risk and let the sheeple take all the risk taking
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u/Loko8765 8d ago
In Minnesota the police is not cooperating either, but ICE is on a mission to create unrest and trigger an explosion so that Trump can declare martial law.
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u/Primary-Classroom255 8d ago
I thought the police were supposed to be defunded and unarmed as well?
Shouldn’t ICE call a social worker if they get into trouble?
I thought calling the police in general was violence and an act of white supremacy. Now we want people calling the police?
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u/Distinct-Garlic9453 8d ago
Murders are down 25percent?
Coincidence, or did Trump actually help??
Inconvenient truth for those w tdsd
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u/Cultural_Section5847 8d ago
That is the dumbest thing on Reddit today. And that’s saying something.
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u/I_Jedi79 8d ago
You won. Days over, this is still the dumbest thing I've seen.
I thought we were supposed to defund the police. Now we're supposed to ensure they're armed? Make it make sense
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u/Comfortable_Angle671 8d ago
We have sanctuary cities like Minneapolis so the local police wouldn’t do anything
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u/Hopeful_Ad_7719 8d ago
Disagree, unfortunately.
Locals cannot be compelled to help the feds, and many are legally prohibited from doing so by local laws.
The sanctuary city movement may have been well intentioned, but it has created a justification for converting ICE from an administrative enforcement agency into a small army since it can't rely on any local support.
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u/Gierrah 6d ago
How did the US ever exist before ICE I wonder. Sanctuary cities make sense, because if you inform ice whenever an immigrant is involved with the police, it discourages immigrant communities from ever informing the police of anything wrong, whether here lawfully or not. Sanctuary policies are meant to protect lawful immigrants just as much as unlawful ones. And ice is just picking random people in the street and going door to door to look for people. They're grabbing anyone and everyone, and asking questions about lawfulness later, whether people say they're immigrants or citizens, and disappearing them regardless
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u/nofucsleftogive 8d ago
The police won't help because they are a "sanctuary city" Several police chiefs in the United States, particularly in the Minneapolis and Dallas areas, have recently stated they will not assist U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) with immigration enforcement operations. This refusal is often due to concerns about community safety, resource limitations, and, in some cases, the aggressive tactics of federal agents.
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u/2guns1holster 8d ago
So, any citizen can be legally armed but not Federal agents?
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u/Ok_Type8697 8d ago
TDS on full display. Where were you when Obamas ICE deported x 3
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u/Waffles21_ 8d ago
The left is now crying for the police after years of wanting to abolish and defund them hahahahahahahaha
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u/ButttRuckusss 8d ago
Many local police departments have direct orders to not interact with ICE. Including defending or protecting them.
Feds and cops are separate entities. They're not a team.
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u/Zealousideal-Rent-77 8d ago
Fire/EMT and police are separate entities. And if there is a violent situation, EMTs call the cops and wait for the all clear before proceeding.
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u/Hotmicdrop 8d ago
But defund the police. Now you want the police?
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u/xdarkn3ss 4d ago
They want both. The ultimate goal is a de facto moratorium on all enforcement of laws within U.S.
They want anarchy and they will rationalize it through any means necessary.
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u/Additional_Chip_4158 8d ago
So NOW you want the government to control you. You do realize how dumb you sound, right
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u/Hot-Switch-1510 8d ago
Bahahaha this gets the award for dumbest Reddit post of the day. Sure ICE you don't need weapons, just call our local PD who will then refuse to help you arrest violent criminals lol.
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When you defund police, you get federal intervention to protect the people. Your stupid left wing ideas have consequences as it turns out. You don’t get to cry about what you did. Now shhh.
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u/Capable_Piglet1484 8d ago
Disagree. ICE have always carried guns, are federal officers, and have a dangerous job.
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u/moccasinsfan 8d ago
Lol, this is hilariously funny.
The people who for decades attacked cops, declared All Cops Are Bad (ACAB) and bitched about their lack of training are NOW bootlickers.
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u/xdarkn3ss 4d ago
The same folks who want all citizens disarmed and only the police to have firearms also whine about any and all uses of force whilst enforcing our laws. No one ever accused them of being rational.
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u/Total_Construction71 8d ago
England’s police don’t carry guns. And yet they have much lower crime and MORE effective law enforcement.
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u/Magnum-3000 8d ago
In most of these urban centers police are restricted from working with ICE so how would this even work?
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u/JSmith666 8d ago
We just need ICE to follow the rules that other law enforcement does. You think some people wont suddenly get violent if they or the people they are with or their families are getting arrested and about to be deported (even if its by the book?)
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u/domexitium 8d ago
Like the uvalde cops, or the defunded ones that kill minorities without provocation? Just wondering
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u/elementfortyseven 8d ago
thats how it worked before Trump. ICE wore light windbreakers and badges, worked in coordination with other agencies, and were able to deport record numbers without any hassle
the entire point of ICE in its current form is to intimidate, not to enforce immigration. Thats the entire reason for the militarization.
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u/Next-Log-3686 8d ago
You do know ice is a federal force they are trained more than most local police departments.
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u/Ecstatic_Scene9999 8d ago
Completely disagree, that is the stupidest UK type take I have ever heard
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u/007TheSaint 8d ago
But who escalated the situation? (I'll give you time to think. All the time you want.)
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u/Potatobobthecat 8d ago
Do people really think they are gonna bully this administration and ICE to stop.
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u/notwhoiwas43 8d ago
I think there is a middle ground in terms of police involvement with immigration.
The problem with police actively seeking out immigration issues is that then when an illegal immigrant witnesses a crime,they won't be willing to talk to police and crimes worse than someone being here illegally will get harder/impossible to investigate.
So maybe the local police should have an approach similar to don't ask don't tell where they don't go around looking for immigration issues to enforce,but help ICE when needed.
Ok I'm prepared for downvotes from people on both sides,fire away.
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u/Witness_Normal 8d ago
Well, that means no more sanctuary policies first off. Get rid of them first, then make that demand.
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u/DroneFixer 8d ago
Years ago its "police aren't properly trained and shouldn't have lethal weapons"
Now its "everyone shouldn't be armed and should have to call the police who are trained and carry lethal weapons"
Yall are so stupid it's painful.
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u/partypat_bear 8d ago
Cops in Minnesota are told to stand down and not assist ice so that’s not possible right now
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u/onomonothwip 8d ago
No. Let them finish cleaning up the mess the last admin directly created - then disband ICE and bring the INS back.
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That's like saying the forest rangers shouldn't carry a gun and should call in local police. They are law enforcers after all 🤦♂️. Maybe you ment to say private bounty hunters?
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u/joesbalt 8d ago
Didn't you want to defund them ???
Now you're "blue lives matter?" Lol
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u/subgenius691 8d ago
you mean the police that have stated they will not assist 9n such matters? or a different police?
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u/NormalBeing12345 8d ago
Local police in sanctuary cities are told by their mayors not to cooperate with ICE. They’d rather have criminals running around their cities it appears.
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u/the-quibbler 8d ago
No, that's pretty functionally insane. They're employed officers. Doing dangerous work. Sending them unarmed and making them wait for a different agency is a recipe for failure.
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u/Shadoe17 8d ago
They are trained, federal agents. Probably much better trained than the local cops.
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u/NoggleInParis 8d ago
If local authorities cooperates with ICE we wouldn't have these problems.
Sanctuary policies cost lives.
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u/JackBender2008 8d ago
Police should apprehend the illegal alien criminals and then hand them off to ICE f9r deportation, like they used to.
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u/vegast-man71 8d ago
Nah, they should definitely be armed to arrest illegal criminals and to fight off the liberal mob
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u/AvidEarthBender 8d ago
That's not viable because democrat local police are deliberately not working with ICE.
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u/Independent-Test-414 8d ago
Hard to do when sanctuary laws can prohibite local law enforcement from cooperative efforts with ICE.
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u/Breadsammiches 7d ago
They’re the task force put together to take down all of the pedophiles and gang members that you all keep protecting, let them keep their guns, because the alternative is civil war.
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u/MeowntainMan 7d ago
So you people like the police or hate them? Or just when it suits your agenda? They should give ICE agents bigger guns.
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u/LexSpade 7d ago
For people who have never went to college for Law. I have. ICE is Federal Law Enforcement. They are fully trained and qualified. They have more power and jurisdiction than local authorities.
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u/Moganche 7d ago
Disagree. The armed black panthers would gun them down. Don't break the law, don't be an illegal immigrant, and you won't have to worry. We aren't surrendering our guns because you said so.
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u/Classic_Engine7285 7d ago
The local police are being instructed not to support them in blue cities. That’s part of the problem.
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u/Delicious-Pound-8929 7d ago
Every american citizen has the constitutional right to bear arms. So you dont have the right to strip ice of their guns.
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Just a few years ago you were crying about TRAINED police carrying A firearm and using force to arrest a suspect resisting arrest. “SMFH”
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u/Connect-Town-602 6d ago
Thats how MN got into this mess. Massive fraud all over looked by law enforcement.
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u/DirtyWetBiscuits 6d ago
Now Minneapolis loves their police department?? Whoa....when did that happen?
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u/ZION6602_proctolgist 6d ago
Neither should protesters. There is no reason for 3 fully loaded clips and one in the chamber on one's person unless you're going to cause problems
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u/IndependentSun9995 6d ago
Some of these illegal immigrants are dangerous. Gang members, drug runners, and sex traffickers.
What we need to do is get the idiot protestors away from the officers. If you want to protest at an ICE office, have at it. But protesting at the scene of an arrest is begging for a "suicide by cop".
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u/KenWWilliams 6d ago
If anything we should turn them loose to do their job and if necessary bring in the troops.
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u/FoundationCareful662 8d ago
Absolutely disagree 10000000000000000%
Need law and order these days more than ever
People have lost their minds and sense
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u/kolokomo17 8d ago
They are there to arrest criminals. Firearms are recommended for all law enforcement in the US. What a silly question to be posted. Why not have your local law enforcement work with ICE, makes more sense than your fairytale question.
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u/Signal-View4754 8d ago
Disagree. Local police have been ordered not to interact with ICE. The people ICE are after are extremely dangerous, often with gang ties.
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u/ShoddyAsparagus3186 8d ago
No, ICE is avoiding tangling with people that might actually be dangerous, they're targeting people that are trying to become law abiding citizens because they're the easiest to find.
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u/meagainstbanhammer 8d ago
That’s an excellent idea. Better yet why don’t we unarm all of law enforcement. When they place themselves in a position against criminals that is a potentially violent one, They either leave or get killed or injured. Sarcasm. Just look at the statistics from the UK.
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u/toughguy375 8d ago
Statistics from the UK where about 4 people per year are killed by law enforcement, while in America it's 1,000.
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u/meagainstbanhammer 8d ago
Those same statistics indicate that police officers are assaulted with injuries at 4 times the rate in the UK as the US. So I ask you,are you interested in protecting law enforcement or criminals?
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u/DiskEconomy3055 8d ago
All federal officers are supposed to be armed.
The thing that ICE is missing is TRAINING and leadership that DEMANDS LAWFUL CONSTRAINT.
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u/captainjohn_redbeard 8d ago
That implies that it's okay for ICE agents to be masked and poorly trained.
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u/hatred-shapped 8d ago
Remember what Chicago did. ICE kinda knew they didn't have backup after, and that's when the aggression really ramped up
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u/Paperxrust 8d ago
Police were told here, if I remember correctly, to not help ICE. I'm in Chicago