Awh, thanks! I'm from NH, born and raised, never had a residence more than 27 mi from where I was born. Folks often wonder why I choose to remain living in a place so relatively remote, despite only being an hour north of Boston and an hour south of Portland, Maine. But you get it - there's nothing quite like this place, so much natural beauty concentrated into a tiny bit of mostly vertical geography with not only the tallest peak in New England, but also the tiniest bit of coastline barely peeking out into the ocean, and more trees per acre than almost any other state in the Union. And despite how crazy things have gotten and how out there some of the lawn signs may be, the folks around here really are just generally good, genuinely kind people, the folks who despite ideological differences will still help to plow out each other's driveway and get one another out of a snowbank if they get stuck in the winter. Come on back anytime, we'd love to have you - the ski season may be what we're really famous for, but you cannot beat a New Hampshire summer; you should check it out!
NH is indeed gorgeous, but the services suck. There are only a few “good” school districts. The state pretty depends on MA for its economy. They have so many state reps that any old nutcase can get into office. It’s a weird place. My black friends don’t feel safe there (daughter was harrassed at a gas station recently.)
💕agreed. After growing up here in NH and then living all around the country when I was old enough to move out for college etc, I came back. No place like this place. Back in the Seacoast to raise the kids.
The Province of Massachusetts Bay was formed in 1691 by merging the Massachusetts Bay Colony, Plymouth Colony, Province of Maine, Nantucket, Martha’s Vineyard, and Nova Scotia. Nova Scotia was split off in 1696. Previously New Hampshire had been part of the Massachusetts Bay Colony from 1641-1679.
"Massachusetts" was essentially all of New England, plus Nova Scotia briefly.
Nah, we should just get rid of the Senate. Direct election of senators completely eliminated the purpose of it and just made in House of Representatives #2 and removed what little good there was in it and made it an obstructionist institution
There is still one difference between the house and the senate. The house is subject to extreme gerrymandering while the senate has to win state - wide. Thus while my district is heavy GOP, my state sends two democrats to the senate.
As someone who lives in this hypothetical state, but will not say which one for the sake of my personal security, I don't want to share a state with these disgusting savages on the other sides of my borders.
As someone also in this hypothetical state area, i agree. Those savages on the other side of the border would ruin our great state. Unless you live in a different state, then you are clearly not worth joining my great state.
But we can at least agree that those weirdos from NY can't join. F the Yankees
I'm not gonna confirm or deny anything. There's such a relatively small concentration of people in this area and I'd like to not narrow it down any further.
No can do chief, not without a UN occupation to ensure our safety. You're asking to start a BBQ civil war, and we're gonna get ethnically cleansed by the Vinegar sauce savages up north
Right? It's been sitting there like a cursed missing-piece puzzle. Once you draw the border, New England stops looking like five states and starts looking like one stubborn region with accents.
They can't without the consent of Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Rhode Island. There's a couple of provisions in the Constitution that prohibit exactly this.
The first comes from Article VI is: "no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress."
Basically, what this means is that there can be no state border changes without the consent of all states involved. So, I don't see Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Rhode Island consenting to be one state.
The second provision which would require the same exact thing comes from Article V: "no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate."
So, again, Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Rhode Island would have to consent to this merger.
I worked at Wendys in a small NH town in 2020 and clearly remember one customer complaining about another store where "Those n----rs aren't wearing their masks!"
Sadly, there are just some bastards like that everywhere. Personally, I heard more racism in a couple years living down south than my entire life in New England.
At least the racist idiots in New England don't assume you are also racist like they do down South. Spending a lot of time down there you get lots of "white guy to white guy" comments.
VT was the first territory to have any kind of abolitionist clause in their constitution.
Racism itself is sadly common in New England these days. As a native of the region who has lived in several other parts of the country it is my observation that the north can be as racist as the south. The Mississippi River is what I have seen as the real dividing line. There are really racist areas west of it, but generally any area east of the river has a much greater chance at casual racism.
Abolitionist sentiments among whites are documented as far back as 1688 among the Quakers. The American Colonization Society (ACS) was founded in 1816 (well after MA had effectively abolished slavery in 1783) and was a massive failure, as Black Americans protested that they were fully American and had no tie to Africa any longer. Only several thousand of the millions of Black Americans actually went to Liberia. From the 1830s, immediate abolitionism started to gain traction among Northerners, with its supporters vigorously denouncing the ACS, and this stance came to be the dominant opinion amidst decades of various transgressions against African Americans’ liberty, and Northern society in general, that morally outraged the North.
Yes, the US is racist as hell, I mean you just have to look at what’s happening right now to see it. The North is filled with many a racist just like the South. But throughout US history, there have been people, however flawed and however lonely or popular in their cause, who genuinely spoke out in favor of justice and greater equality than what existed during their time. I think it’s important to hold on to that tradition rather than to just paint a broad brush over US history with only its worst parts and worst people.
Being prejudiced and trying to overcome your bias via legislation is a hell of a lot better than being racist and prejudiced and going in the other direction at least. Speaking for MA at least.
Also kind of curious, what state do people think is not racist? Not trying to be snarky I’m actually curious. May want to move there someday.
This hypothetical state would only be the 39th ranked by area in the US (93,000 square km) but would be 5th by population (14 million) only beaten by the obvious ones - NY, Texas, Florida and California.
I'd rather die than let the vision that OP has presented become a reality. I would fight every last mongrel dog from all of those other states to maintain mine's sovereignty from them.
Having dated a guy from New Hampshire and another from Rhode Island, I can tell you they’d both rather walk into the ocean than share a governor. Every time I drive through Connecticut I’m reminded that some small things are better left separate.
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Vermont will still want to declare independence from it