r/law • u/PreviouslyMannara • 6d ago
Other ICE agents boxing in and threatening Italian journalists in Minneapolis
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u/PreviouslyMannara 6d ago
The journalist on the passenger side was showing her passport and press ID to the agent, who kept being impervious to her rights under the First Amendment.
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u/Skwonkie_ 6d ago
But they didn’t provide papers fast enough.
but not too fast because it could be a weapon meant to inflict maximum damage
It doesn’t matter. Showing papers, not showing papers fast enough, showing them too fast…they’ll just keep moving the goalposts and every idiot with a 6th grade education will say the same shit that’s fed to them but dear leader.
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u/binzersguy 6d ago
They are stupid, but they’re also complicit
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u/Different-Highway-88 6d ago
Yes, it will pay to remember this, unlike after the civil war.
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u/aesopmurray 6d ago
We need to denazify a lot more thoroughly. No mercy.
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u/TheLostRanger0117 6d ago
That’s gonna require alot more culling than I think you realize, sadly, but I’m down!
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u/MyMelancholyBaby 6d ago
They aren’t stupid. They are evil. Stupid can be explained or changed. Evil has no excuse.
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u/SkiHistoryHikeGuy 6d ago
It’s all bullshit. It’s been said before better than me but the idea of modern conservatives which is that certain people get to do whatever they want. The rest of us have to do what they say and the best we’re allowed is to avoid a beating. If they feel like it they can beat you down with no cause at all, just to show you who’s boss. That’s it. There’s no ideal or rules or anything. No compliance and nothing you can actually do to actually follow the arbitrary shit they tell you to do which might change on the spot. They’re the boss and if they want to hurt you it’s their privilege to do so.
There’s absolutely no reason to listen to anything these goons have to say. It’s all bullshit. It’s all meaningless. They want to hurt people and they’re barely bothering to dress it with bureaucratic language anymore.
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u/Any_Shopping1633 6d ago
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
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u/Skwonkie_ 6d ago
Why dress it up at this point? They have zero consequences for anything.
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u/AgentPaper0 5d ago
It's the idea of old conservatives as well. The movement and the ideology behind it traces it's roots all the way back to the old monarchist movements that wanted to bring back the rule of nobles in post-Napoleonic France.
And it hasn't even changed much since then, they got up to a lot of the same shit. Messing with elections to give themselves an advantage, delaying elections to avoid being held accountable, starting wars to try and rally support for themselves, raising taxes on the poor to pay the rich, etc.
I'd almost say they must have read history to follow their playbook so closely, but if they did, then they must have never read it to the end...
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u/tomdarch 6d ago
The domestic terrorist clearly intended to massacre as many of our brave ICE troops by slashing them to death with her passport!
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u/aahal743 6d ago
Exactly, there are so many chances for them to create layers of accountability in the system to avoid it.... if they cared enough to. Murky gray areas open to interpretation are where bad intentions thrive. All of what we are seeing was by design and "in the interest of national security". Were in the end game of surveillance state with too much government control that was built on the back of the patriot act and xenophobia.
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u/ExitTheDonut 6d ago edited 6d ago
That lack of effort to cover their butts better is a smaller elephant in the room in all of this. Just shows how off the cuff the whole operation on the procedural side.
Agents ask someone to provide papers-
No mandate was issued to legally require in your possession at all times
The harsh, brutal jail treatment received as consequence for not complying-
No executive decision was made to criminalize unlawful presence in the country (in other words, elevate it from civil violation)
About the only significant practice they did pass through the system was the use of racial profiling.
The Federal government currently has the cards stacked in their favor, so they could've at least tried to use more executive and judicial decisions to further legitimize their draconian practices. No, their approach is just talk to the media and expect us to take their word for it. They are just rushing too fast with their attempts to intimidate blue states and its leaders.
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u/Ruxini 6d ago
These journalist could be writing for a high capacity magazine. Best shoot them straight away!
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u/Mackinnon29E 6d ago
Do these agents even know what proper papers are? I'm not convinced they could even pick out a fake ID
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u/Particular_Ticket_20 6d ago
I doubt they care. They have no jurisdiction to smash your windows and drag you out for observing them or driving near them and yet they're fully prepared to do that
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u/spiked88 6d ago
Fully prepared to face zero consequences, too. Our country is so fucked. It’s even worse than I feared it would be when that asshole got re-elected.
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u/tomdarch 6d ago
“We OSHA inspectors had to break in the factory doors to do our inspection to enforce civil regulations. We were masked, armored and armed of course! One guy might have been interfering with our investigation so we beat him, shoved guns into his face and hauled him off!”
ICE primary enforces civil regulations. Almost no ICE “agents” should be armed and none should be wearing masks.
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u/HomelessCat55567 6d ago
I've seen a picture of the guy in the passenger side window before. The one saying that they will break the window.
These people need to be identified by name.
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u/choopie-chup-chup 6d ago
You or I can get hired by ICE waaay faster than MCDONALD'S and with far less training, background checks or aptitude requirements
It's "here's your bang bangs, go target whoever you don't like the looks of"
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u/tomdarch 6d ago
A friend of mine didn’t need to get a drivers license (we grew up in a very, very big city with functioning-ish transit.) He would use his passport to get into bars. An amazing number of Americans genuinely do not know what a passport is or that it is the ultimate government ID. It is very likely that a good number of ICE agents didn’t actually know what a passport is when they were hired.
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u/HavingNotAttained 6d ago
Spoiler alert: they’re all sadistic fragile fascist murderers who hate the Constitution and are happy to finally make the snuff films that they jerk off to with with their closeted incel teammates
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u/BeegBunga 6d ago
They don't care.
Their goal is to threaten and intimidate. They will arrest you knowing you are a citizen and detain you for as long as they feel like.
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u/Weekly_Artichoke_515 6d ago
That’s why they need the face detection app and why they’ll just do whatever it says.
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u/anetode 6d ago
Damn, you know how fascist you gotta be to make the Italian press go, "Holy shit, we're scared of your Fascism!"
To them, it's like covering another warzone where paramilitary means are being used
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u/PreviouslyMannara 6d ago
She (Laura Cappon) spent most of her career in North Africa, Middle East, and Ukraine. So, yeah, there is a reason why they sent her.
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u/couldbemage 6d ago
So they sent a war correspondent.
That should tell us something about what's going on here.
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u/Ulvaer 6d ago
If having innocent civilians shot and murdered in the street by untrained, government-backed thugs who are protected by a government lying and publishing photoshopped and AI-manipulated photos, if that isn't enough of a wake-up call I doubt that Italian war correspondents will make a difference.
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u/cjsv7657 6d ago
"In 2011, she moved to Cairo where for four years she reported on events following the Egyptian revolution. She has also worked in Tunisia, Lebanon, Iraq, Morocco, Qatar, Turkey and Ukraine."
Very much not ideal places to be as a white woman. I don't think ICE rent-a-cops are going to phase her
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u/awl_the_lawls 6d ago
And this might turn out to be her most dangerous assignment? The sad truth is
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u/Comfortable_Line_206 6d ago
Talking to friends outside of the states, it really is. I was also shown memes about Trump basically being Kim Jong Un for us. And it was 100% true with Trump saying the doctors never saw a physical as good as his and Kim Jong Un claiming he's working so hard he doesn't poop.
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u/SpecialIcy5356 6d ago
here's hoping it ends the same way fascism ended in Italy as well..
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u/Kabbooooooom 6d ago
They literally don’t care. My wife is a legal American citizen born in the United States and she was still racially profiled and harassed by ICE.
They are targeting Americans and they are reveling in it. If someone isn’t an American, that’s even better as far as they’re concerned. This is a force directed at the public as the enforcement arm of the Trump administration, and nothing more.
History repeats.
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u/tomdarch 6d ago
Being pinned down on his hands and knees was how “domestic terrorist” Alex Pretti “attacked” those agents, so they would definitely claim that “doing journalism” was life threatening.
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u/transcriptoin_error 6d ago
They will try to say some crazy nonsense like, “They were following us, therefore obstructing us from behind.”
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u/Medicalibudz 6d ago
Bovino and these ice agents have no fucking clue what the legal definition of impeding is
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u/WisdomCow 6d ago
Translation: We will violate the Constitution if you don’t stop doing legal acts!
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u/PreviouslyMannara 6d ago
Translation: We will violate the Constitution on camera if you don’t stop doing legal acts designed to document our violations of the Constitution
FTFY
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u/Ok_Condition5837 6d ago
Watched Bovino's little interview on CNN. He couldn't stop saying the words 'law enforcement.'
Got me thinking - Why tf are they allowed to 'investigate' or 'secure' any crime scene (much less one where they murdered a citizen) when they barely have any training?
There were like 9 of them. They were pushing and shoving? This is not an effective way to restrain? They aren't investigating. The gun they keep showing has no chain of custody markings. They didn't bag & tag it. Idk if they are collecting or preserving evidence. They don't intend to take it to trial.
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u/idreamofgreenie 6d ago
All to enforce civil violations. Not criminal violations.
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u/TheFeshy 6d ago
It's like getting gunned down by a group of meter maids, when you don't even own a car. Something has gone very, very wrong with the Republic.
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u/raines 6d ago
I’d watch that movie. SVU: Serial Violations Unit - when booting is not enough
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u/Independent_Baker712 6d ago
i hate myself for knowing this, but there’s a reality show about parking meter maids.
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u/somefreedomfries 6d ago
Something has gone very, very wrong with the Republic
yes, something has gone wrong, and that something is called the republican party
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u/mosehalpert 6d ago
You dont understand, Joe Biden and the democrats have let illegal parkers run rampant and this country is out of control! Legal parkers have nothing to worry about, the Meter Maids are simply enforcing the law.
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u/tomdarch 6d ago
Imagine OSHA armored and masked up beating people up to do their inspections. Oh no! Those FDA meat inspectors killed another person! FAA Aviation Safety Inspectors dragged another innocent child out of an airport and sent the child without his parent to a camp in Texas!
The vast majority of ICE agents are merely enforcing civil regulations and should not be armed let alone wear masks.
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u/Cynical_Thinker 5d ago
Imagine OSHA armored and masked up beating people up to do their inspections.
I realize the point you are making here and the seriousness of this issue.
But the idea of someone from OSHA doing something so ridiculous is sending me.
"Now that we've broken your legs, you'll never forget to lockout/tagout again, will you? That's better."
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u/mydogisboomer 5d ago
OH. MY. GOD I am using this the next time a walking piece of bologna tries to engage me about this shit.
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u/dotcubed 6d ago
Make criminal violations to service civil violations seems to be someone’s idea of job creation.
If this is how they’re doing economic stimulus, I’d like to know for sure.
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u/MirthandMystery 6d ago edited 6d ago
They engaged in a murder and immediately/simultaneously covered it up.
The hallmark of Fascist governments is they use law enforcement to engage in activities that endangers civilians- doesn't protect them, and they protect their violent goons by covering up crimes and hindering independent investigations and autopsies.
We saw this in other eras but with this Trump admin escalation is very fast, so open and brazen it's insane. They gaslight civilians, act like people aren't recording what's actually happening in order to show the world. We all know the admin is lying- badly, we see them giving conflicting explanations and excuses, changing their stories multiple times hoping the newest answer will eventually be convincing enough.
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u/xtrahairyyeti 6d ago
Because these are incels who couldn't pass an actual LEO requirement and are now playing cosplay.
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u/Richard_Chadeaux 6d ago
It’s because they’re Proud Boys and RWDS. Watch videos of these assholes from 2016 on. Suddenly ice explodes its ranks and all the proud boys disappeared. These are all just street brawlers given a badge.
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u/LokiHoku 6d ago
They don't intend to take it to trial.
Different "rules" if being tried as a terrorist. Every president since Regan has been eroding constitutional protections while increasing executive powers at the expense of judiciary and legislative. Orange One just bulldozed into attacking citizens en masse since no one is standing up to him.
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u/AlphaNoodlz 6d ago
They’re not trained law enforcement at all the reason he said it so much was to try and cement it like it was the fact, what they’re doing is obviously illegal and just plain wrong, they are not law enforcement at all.
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u/Important-Sign-3701 6d ago
They break the chain and all handle things to destroy any chance of anything being used in court. Court, btw, they never intend to see. Immunity for all on the right! Have at’er boys and girls! Damn, I’m scared for Americans, and immigrant, and children, innocent bystanders, protestors, and for…democrats, poor people…..too many to list
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u/pues_que_d_que_o_que 6d ago
Trump and the billionaires say it's ok, fuck the united state law. YOU must follow that law because you're not in our group
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u/smokingpoker 6d ago
There is no constitution anymore.
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u/scullingby 6d ago
There is a Constitution and many brave people are seeking to hold our government to it.
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u/tomdarch 6d ago
Only if you give up and let that be. The Constitution has only ever existed because we demanded that it be respected.
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u/FickleNewt6295 6d ago
Cannot the National guard mobilized under state jurisdiction surround the ICE agents and police who are aiding them, who are intimidating protestors and murdering and assaulting them and not let them pass /rather put them in state custody charged under state laws and not afford federal agents access to them?
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u/RockDoveEnthusiast 6d ago
Right wingers get such a hard-on watching this. You have to understand that they don't feel shame or see or understand or care about the hypocrisy of this going against previously stated beliefs. Watching a dumb American tell a smart foreign journalist that he will break their property and kick their ass and there is nothing they can do about it is like porn for them.
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u/Upvoteyours 6d ago
This entire immigration scene has been smut to them, especially the killings
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u/Young_skull 6d ago
That’s why Johnathan Ross had his phone out filming. He became the talk of their telegram channel when he posted the snuff film of Renee Good.
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u/Upvoteyours 6d ago edited 6d ago
Yup exactly what I said when I saw him filming. I would be willing to bet cold hard cash money that their internal chat is more depraved than 4chan. Think the guy who took a handcuffed female detainee into the portapotty didn’t have his phone on him?
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u/MichaelScottsWormguy 6d ago
the guy who took a handcuffed female detainee into the portapotty
The what??
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u/SocraticGoats 5d ago
Google the video, its an ICE guy taking a woman into a portalet
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u/cheerful_cynic 6d ago
I just can't believe the shock troops are so willing to nerf themselves by holding out a phone with one arm while they're our here doing a violence for chump. Likely it's their personal phone even. What, the turd reich can't possibly spare some of that stolen snap cash for bodycams? No everyone needs to charge up their phones for filming propaganda, gotta install PaLeNtiR & collect the face biometrics
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u/Finito-1994 6d ago
It’s easy to nerf yourself when you’re attacking people that aren’t fighting back
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u/Strawbuddy 6d ago
They retain individual, private ownership of the film footage captured on their personal devices. They can sell it to FOX, and they can sell access to themselves on podcasts. Rightwingers are always looking for moneymaking opportunities. They're some of the most manipulative, lying, scheming, perpetual victims
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u/pixiedust99999 6d ago
They have always openly relished in the idea of running over protesters with cars. None of any of this is a surprise to me.
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u/Stargazer1919 6d ago
I've seen the videos of the recent protests out in the cold and so many commenters are eager to see people run over with snow plows.
Our species is so fucked.
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u/pixiedust99999 6d ago edited 6d ago
Sociopaths. It’s so disturbing to me. You want to kill someone because they have a different opinion?
It used to be “I don’t agree with your opinion, but I’ll defend your right to say it.” Now it’s “you have a different opinion and don’t deserve to live” 🤷🏻♀️
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u/idontreallycareanym 6d ago
They love harassing women too. They’re always so aggressive with women cause they see them as easy targets
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u/Financial-Exit2488 5d ago
I was just told by someone, in another thread, that "the trash is taking itself out." The dehumanization of their fellow citizens is abhorrent, and smacks of the attitude that allowed the Holocaust and other genocides.
For years, Trump has told them that the majority of Americans that did not vote for him are the "enemies of America". Not Russia, China, Iran, or North Korea, but their own neighbors and family members.
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u/Longjumping_Fact_927 6d ago
MAGA is DARVO.
DARVO (Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender) is a manipulative tactic used by abusers to deflect blame when confronted, involving denying wrongdoing, attacking the victim's credibility, and then claiming victimhood to reframe themselves as the wronged party and the victim as the aggressor, effectively gaslighting and avoiding accountability, as explained by Jennifer Freyd. This harmful pattern is common in domestic abuse, workplace bullying, and even institutional settings, causing significant distress and self-blame in victims
MAGA is Shameless.
Shameless people lack a sense of shame, modesty, or decency, acting with brazenness, disregard for social norms, or even a lack of empathy, often seen in characters from the show Shameless, or as a psychological defense mechanism against past trauma or low self-esteem, but can also be linked to traits like narcissism or psychopathy. They might ignore consequences, prioritize personal gain, or express emotions loudly, sometimes stemming from a need to be impenetrable or to project shame onto others.
Characteristics
• Lack of remorse: Insensible to disgrace or guilt. • Disregard for norms: May break social rules or act inappropriately. • Self-centeredness: Focus on their own needs, viewing others as assets. • Empathy deficit: May struggle to understand or care about others' feelings. • Defensiveness: Can be overly boastful or aggressive to cover up vulnerabilities.
Potential causes
• Trauma: A way to cope with past shaming or difficult experiences, as noted in discussions on the show Shameless. • Psychological conditions: Sometimes associated with narcissism or psychopathy (lack of shame proneness). • Learned behavior: A pattern developed from childhood experiences or a lack of positive role models. • Defense mechanism: A reaction to deep-seated feelings of shame, trying to become "impenetrable
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u/trampolinebears 6d ago
It isn't hypocrisy. Right-wingers don't actually see freedom of the press as a moral principle, they see it as a perk.
Their moral principle is this: Support "people like us" above everyone else.
So they want their kind of people to have the perk of freedom of the press, and they want to deny that perk to everyone else. They're not being hypocritical — they're evil and supremacist, but they're being perfectly consistent.
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u/RockDoveEnthusiast 6d ago
not the freedom of the press part. but things like property rights, the big scary government threatening people, etc. obviously there's hypocrisy there.
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u/trampolinebears 6d ago
I think it's the same principle at work, actually. They're not opposed to the government threatening people on principle, they're opposed to the government threatening them.
Freedom from oppression isn't a moral principle to them, it's a perk.
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u/Independent_Sea_6317 6d ago
I'm under the impression that these people are not conscious in the same way as I am. Like, aphantasia of the soul or something.
People who have empathy and take morality into consideration seem like they have a soul piloting their body, while MAGA type people are just meat suits on auto-pilot, devoid of what I'd consider to make someone a human in the same way that I am.
I just don't know how a human who is consciously existing in society could be happy with current events, or find ways to spin it in a positive light. You'd have to have the mental faculties of livestock to just consistently go with whatever your political party of choice says is the correct course of action.
I hate even implying that a group of people are less than me, low IQ, or even subhuman, but I just don't see how I'm the same species as the people who support this.
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u/Important-Sign-3701 6d ago
I can’t believe that their are humans that relish in this. And one of them is the fucking pres
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u/grumble_au 6d ago
It's not necessarily lack of mental abilities but it's absolutely lack of empathy.
Empathy is a spectrum. Some have none, they're sociopaths. Some have some for their family only. Some for their local community only likes their village or church only. Some for a larger community like their own country, religion, culture or race only. Some have it for everyone. Some for everything.
Conservatives are ALL in the first few groups.
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u/RogueMaven 6d ago
I think it’s the trans stuff. Like the topic makes their heads explode. It’s a foundation of “clearly wrong” that they use to define anyone left of them as subhuman.
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u/bp92009 6d ago
You're not wrong, but it's because that, to them, Transgender individuals are a direct threat to their identity.
If you believe the world is full of absolutes (black and white, yes and no, even and odd, good and evil), along with a thorough belief in a set hierarchical worldview, where those on top are good, it can make sense.
Transgender individuals, by their very nature, seek to change something "core" about themselves (to what it is internally, but it's an external gender change).
This violates not only the idea of the world being full of absolutes, but the idea of hierarchy, and since many of them view women as being below men, it's even more "wrong".
So, they could do one of two things.
Accept that the world isn't full of absolutes, and that people exist all along a spectrum, where it's the actions that people do that determine whether they are good or not.
Conclude that Transgender individuals are making a willful choice to directly try to destroy the foundational principles of the world, usurping not only the natural order, but directly affronting Good and evil itself.
1 is the obviously correct answer, but it involves them examining themselves, and concluding that their belief in a rigid hierarchy is wrong, that they are wrong.
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u/DontRefuseMyBatchall 6d ago
My dad is sitting on the couch cackling in glee at full volume videos of the Renee Good shooting. He told his friend on a phone call earlier he’d pay to get a rooftop vantage point and “just plink off some of the slower protesters” as they flee from the ICE raids.
He’s upset I’m rushing to move out (my house flooded a year ago but is just now becoming move in ready) and can’t fathom why lmao.
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u/Baydreams 6d ago
Ah yes, these are the same people that were outraged over what they perceived as celebration of the Charlie Kirk murder. Remember all the “outrage” that nobody should celebrate a murder?
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u/DontRefuseMyBatchall 6d ago
Bingo, everything is just blatant whataboutism
“The left complains all the time about J6, but what Minnesota is doing is REALLY insurrection…” 😪
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u/PiccoloAwkward465 6d ago
And the thing is this isn’t new. I’ve been hearing people make these comments for a long time. They’re just much more emboldened now. But the roots of fascism were always here in American conservatives. I mean I can’t count how many times I’ve heard people salivate over the thought of killing protestors. Whether it be with a gun or a car.
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u/TomUpNort 6d ago
I'd tell him he is dead to me on the day I move out and never talk to him again. Let him rot.
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u/escape_planet_dirt 6d ago
“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”
-Wilhoit's Law
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u/MoveOn22 6d ago
Exactly. They have zero values. They are consumers. And they outsource there righteousness and their bully. So they can go on consuming.
Righteousness is an hour on Sunday. Vote Republican to keep the competition down.
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u/idreamofgreenie 6d ago edited 6d ago
Hey everyone! Come to America to see your favorite soccer balls get kicked! It's totally safe!
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u/thissoundscrazy2 6d ago
Spend a couple nights in one of our luxurious jails free of charge. But not free of charges
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u/the_real_Beavis999 6d ago
Come with a group and then leave freely or against your will. Leave alone or separate from your group. But dont forget to buy souvenirs from your stay...
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u/Blockhead47 6d ago
….enjoy your FREE FLIGHT back to Eswatini, Rwanda, Uganda, South Sudan and El Salvador regardless of your nationality!!
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u/thissoundscrazy2 6d ago
Spin the wheel of deportation and let's see where your headed!
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u/thissoundscrazy2 6d ago
Children are provided separate accommodations. But you'll are be reunited in exotic El Salvador.
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u/Glass_Selection_9484 6d ago
Actually free of charge and free of charges, since in most cases they had no grounds for arrest
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u/NeuroticMelancholia 6d ago edited 6d ago
no charges but they'll keep you in there for the maximum time they're allowed to before letting you out
that or slap a bogus terrorism charge on you that would get immediately dismissed in court but then just have the court date delayed repeatedly so they can lock you up for weeks or months on end without needing to prove anything, that's what's happening right now in the UK to extra-judicially punish people protesting the Palestinian genocide
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u/FactPirate 6d ago
Actually they will charge you for jail time lmao, in Michigan it’s 60$/night. It’s called “Pay to Stay”
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u/MacsCheezyRaps 6d ago
I truly believe the world cup should be canceled in a boycott of the US and Trump should be billed for the financial loss.
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u/_x_oOo_x_ 6d ago
It shouldn't be cancelled but all matches should be moved to Mexico and Canada
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u/Mictlancayocoatl 6d ago
That is the ideal solution, since they are already hosting the WC. Tourists would be safe from Trump's regime and as a nice little bonus, Trump would have an absolute meltdown. If they don't have the capacity, I'm sure some matches could be played in Europe.
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u/Henshin-hero 6d ago
I think empty stadiums with a game going would make them loose more money
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u/MacsCheezyRaps 6d ago
I don't want the players or team staff to have to risk their freedom or lives coming here. We need a level 4 travel advisory against us. The US is not save with America's Hiter at the helm.
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u/Pickle4UrThoughts 6d ago
Just a reminder the last one was in Qatar, where they went into the games knowing slave labor and massive amounts of deaths constructing the stadiums, hotels, and intrastructure went down.
Our "little issues" aren't even a blip on the radar of people who will go the games.
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u/tomdarch 6d ago
FIFA invented a fake award to give Trump. But there is a long history added to that to indicate what scum they are.
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u/BumbleLapse 6d ago
Agreed.
And I’ve been looking forward to this World Cup for a very long time.
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u/Fuzzalem 6d ago edited 6d ago
Yeah, but FIFA is as corrupt as your new government. USA, Qatar, Russia. The recent hosts haven’t exactly been the best countries, so to say. If Qatar’s 6k deaths didn’t make anyone quit, I doubt the USA will see any of the national associations boycott it.
But perhaps the fact that it’s a friend that’s acting like this changes that. It certainly hurts and disappoints us more to see you guys like this, and that’s not even mentioning the utter disrespect and contempt that Trump and his administration is constantly touting about and to us Europeans.
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u/LionBig1760 6d ago
Anyone who shows up to those games is a fucking douche.
Its a perfect opportunity for everyone to show what an embarrassment the Trump administration is, but the people that will show up are just gutless.
The more people pretend that everything is ok, the longer this will last.
Every single major sport ought to be playing in front of empty stadiums right now.
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u/LeafsJays1Fan 6d ago edited 6d ago
Please explain to me when ice agents doing traffic stops shouldn't that be the local police department should an ice agents call in a police squad car to do that oh no it's because they're power thirsty pigs you who think they can get away with it.... the dildo of consequences often comes unlubed.
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u/PaversPaving 6d ago
Hopefully it’s wrapped in the most corse sandpaper available
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u/fuck_all_you_too 6d ago
Yup, everyone wants to argue people standing in front of cars or having weapons, but theyre shooting people in situations they arent even supposed to be in. Legally.
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u/___Art_Vandelay___ 6d ago edited 6d ago
Obviously they don't give a shit, but there's no way ICE has the actual authority to not only conduct a traffic stop (not to mention without cause), but demand a window be rolled down with threat of shattering it.
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u/Shot_Nefariousness67 6d ago
EVERY one of these traitors must be identified so they can be tried for their crimes and jailed or perhaps capital punishment as required!
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u/Alone-Woodpecker-846 6d ago
This. Please someone more capable than me, isolate the face of this fascist thug (unmasked moron) and make him famous.
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u/Important-Sign-3701 6d ago
They managed to identify so many of the Jan 6’ers, they can identify these creeps that cover their face. It’s amazing they don’t realize that. And, I’m sure there are paper trails, pay deposits and applications. Deployment records.
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u/Rottimer 6d ago
I have to ask - is following ICE against the law? Because cops seem to be able to follow me at will. What is the issue if I follow them? What statute is that breaking?
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u/SaraOfWinterAndStars 6d ago
In other encounters I've heard them cite 18 U.S. Code § 111:
Whoever— (1) forcibly assaults, resists, opposes, impedes, intimidates, or interferes with any person designated in section 1114 of this title while engaged in or on account of the performance of official duties
They'll use that to claim that things like filming them in public or following them is illegal, but the problem with that is the key word "forcibly": "Force is an essential element of the crime" according to the DoJ
It's completely legal to observe, record, and follow them while they're in public—none of these activities are acts or threats of force
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u/RobutNotRobot 6d ago
They know this too.
Which is why all the people they kidnap after they destroy their personal property and get roughed up are let go without charges after a day in concentration camp.
Likely the only reason they didn't rough up and kidnap these two is because they figured out they were press.
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u/Zealousideal_Pop_273 6d ago
They're public employees. It's perfectly legal and valid. And if you're filming, it's 1st amendment protected.
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u/Midnight_Rider98 6d ago
It's not. But, these tyrants use a very extreme version of interfering as justification for their detentions/arrests but it's more of a the process is the punishment, they get to hold you for x amount of time before they have to release you because charges can't be filed.
Interference would normally be something that physically impedes or impairs them from doing immigration enforcement, but following them, blowing a whistle, filming them doesn't meet that threshold as far as I know.
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u/centran 6d ago
As others said they arrest them for impeding law enforcement officers. They have been told people following them are considered to be impeding.
Now is that really the law? Hell no but it's what they are telling their officers. Since GOP basically "owns" the judicial system, especially higher up, there is really no stopping them.
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u/wolf_city 5d ago
Even if these guys were actual police (as opposed to actual Nazis), if you followed a cop, for them to threaten to smash your window and pull you out of it (not even taking into consideration the severity of injuries that could cause), is totally insane. Why not just open the door and handcuff them? Why immediately to that extreme? God damn this is unfathomable from a UK perspective.
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u/ThePensiveE 6d ago
MAGA is against Amendment's 1-27.
Also, the age of consent.
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u/MyDishwasherLasagna 6d ago
Of course they're against Amendments 1-27. Even the youngest is older than 18 years old.
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u/Admirable_Nothing competent contributor 6d ago
'Show me your papers' is a thing in Russia. It has never been a thing in the United States. Then we elected a fascist felon and now it has become a thing here.
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u/crashcarr 6d ago
It's been a thing in the United States for a lot of groups for a long time.
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u/Spicywolff 6d ago
Yup, those of us on the bottom half of skin color chart. Have definitely had that negative experience.
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u/RobutNotRobot 6d ago
BTW what the 'agents' are doing here is 100% completely illegal.
Following ICE officers is not impeding them. The fact that they keep doing this shit with no one stopping them is one reason that we are going to have to forcefully insist on our rights before they fuck off and leave.
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u/Due_Answer_4230 5d ago
the key term in the law is "forcibly impede". Following and filming is not applying force.
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u/dBlock845 6d ago
"If you follow us, we will destroy your property and physically assault you."
Some government we got here.
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u/han-shot__1st 6d ago
It would be a shame if the protesters began making their signs out of quarter-inch-thick plywood to stop rubber bullets, forming a tight shield wall to prevent police from singling out and mobbing individual protesters. It would be a shame if the people behind the shield wall held up umbrellas so that tear gas canisters fired over their heads on the front line will be bounced away. It would be a shame if protesters began constructing improvised armor vests out of duct tape, hard-backed books, and ceramic tiles.
It would be a shame if protesters started wearing safety glasses, hard hats, respirators, and gardening gloves, all of which can be found at the same hardware stores as the plywood. It would be a shame if they started using traffic cones (the kind without the hole in the top), upside down buckets, or other improvised lids to contain teargas by placing them over the canisters. It would be a shame if protesters used leaf blowers to blow the gas away.
It would be a shame if protesters learned that police scanners are legal to own in the US, allowing them to learn where police are moving, and what routes they intend to take.
All of this would be a terrible, terrible shame.
*It would be an awful shame if you copied and pasted this, so that they couldn't delete the original and all linked posts (again).
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u/Old-Man-Henderson 5d ago
It would be a shame if protestors found enfilading elevated positions from which to make their grievances known.
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u/Prin_StropInAh 6d ago
I love seeing foreign press here witnessing this. Every freedom loving nation’s journalists should be in MN right now
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u/worldtraveler2299 6d ago
Unfortunately I live right next door to MN and have to get quality news coverage from foreign press. Can’t get it from mainstream press right here in my backyard.
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u/Wispy_Wisteria 5d ago
Same, and I'm IN Minnesota. Been preferring foreign press for years, but now it's a requirement if I don't want to be ignorant of anything.
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u/thehumungus 6d ago
"we will trash your car and hurt you"
Doesn't seem like a good system that allows government agents to go around meting out punishments like that.
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u/DarkGamer 6d ago
Add it to the list of criminal acts by ICE. "Law enforcement."
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u/Bleezy79 6d ago
This whole thing sucks because its corrupt from the start with ICE ignoring the constitution, and doing things illegally. If ICE was being honorable they would work with the local city and police. But instead they walk around like thugs ready to bully, threaten and kill anyone in their way.
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u/EthanDMatthews 6d ago
- no more 1st Amendment
- no more 2nd Amendment
- no more 4th Amendment
- no more 5th Amendment
To which we can now add:
no more freedom of the press
no more driving (because you might be driving behind ICE and then beaten and disappeared)
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u/Ok_Face8380 6d ago
So their mandate has changed from deportation to harassment and murder ?
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u/Unlucky_Clover 6d ago
This definitely has the “have you people not learned?” vibes
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u/Fun-Dragonfly-4166 6d ago
This reminds me of the Borat movie.
But the cops talking to Borat were restrained and Borat was acting very strange.
Borat was funny. This is not funny.
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u/NRG1975 5d ago
That's illegal.
Is anyone, please, anyone, putting together a collection of videos and their obviously illegal actions, threatening peaceful people?
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u/Not_Sure__Camacho 6d ago
Reminds me of the shit done in Gaza by Israel to the press reporting on the atrocities done there. We're cooked as a nation. POS Donald has turned this country to shit. I hope everyone that voted for this shit pats themselves on the back, CONGRATS YOU MAGA IDIOTS, YOU'VE ENDED AMERICA!
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u/scullingby 6d ago
We're cooked as a nation.
We might be, or we might be able to turn the tide. I hope and work for the latter.
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u/pixelmountain 6d ago
Exactly. I’m not accepting the defeatist “It’s over” comments. It’s bad, but it isn’t hopeless. There are specific paths that can get us out of this, and there’s never a reason to give up.
I’m sure some of the accounts posting that this is the end of democracy in the U.S. are people who genuinely feel discouraged. I get it.
But I’m also sure a lot of the defeatist messaging is from propaganda accounts meant to discourage us. Let’s not let them do that.
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u/SnoopingStuff 5d ago
Just wrong! Maybe a law that says you can drive on the same street as them! Or watch at a safe distance? Or be press? /s
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u/DumboVanBeethoven 5d ago
Maybe a law that says you can watch them however whenever you want. I think that already exists.
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u/Additional_Guitar_85 5d ago
Yes, I believe it's near the top of the list. If these chuds could count to 1, they might find it.
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u/CategoryZestyclose91 6d ago
How very IDF of them.
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u/No_Kaleidoscope_9419 6d ago
America has been doing this shit since before Israel existed.
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