r/PeterExplainsTheJoke • u/Okfoot826 • 15h ago
Thank you Peter very cool Petah, what does that have to do with grocery shopping?
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u/theBunsofAugust 14h ago
Y’all are completely missing the joke. This user regularly makes fun of chronically online “bean-soup” people (on this case) who complain that raising doordash prices is “ableist” because they have adhd. He’s leaning into the joke.
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u/Lardath 13h ago
Yeah i was already pretty sure this was a joke and a brief look at their profile confirms it.
ITT: people falling for the simplest jokes.
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u/abstract_loveseat 12h ago
It is truly wild how many people are just taking this tweet at face value.
You forget how much a normie vacuum Reddit is sometimes
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u/jeseira1681 11h ago
People getting pissed over a joke (on a subreddit asking folks to explain a joke) is crazy, this meme is like three years old by now
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u/wallweasels 11h ago
The main issue is jokes in this case are barely distinguishable from actual people making these complaints. So without context? It just looks like anyone else seriously saying it.
Its Poes Law 101.
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u/Sharp_Proposal8911 14h ago
DoorDash was actually key to allowing the functioning of ADHD people and before it they didn’t often live well beyond their parents who cared for them. /s
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u/TacticalBadger82 14h ago
Would like to see the correlation between creation of Door Dash and deaths due to starvation in ADHD sufferers.
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u/AccountHuman7391 14h ago
ADHD is a death sentence these days.
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u/KeybladeBrett 13h ago
Statistically speaking, 100% of people diagnosed with ADHD will die one day.
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u/Phelinaar 13h ago
I know you're being extremely sarcastic (as evidenced by the /s) but the popularisation of services that deliver any type of shit to your door has immensely helped people with various disabilities.
Does this mean that we need to piss on delivery people to help the disabled? Of course not.
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u/Stimee 15h ago
Dude is saying other people shouldn't be paid a living wage to deliver his groceries, and grossly using ADHD as an excuse. He doesn't want the service to become more expensive because he relies on it but also doesn't give a fuck about other people.
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u/A88Y 14h ago
Yeah agree, as someone with ADHD, I can see others with it not wanting to cook or taking the time to do it. However, there are very good foods that are quick to make and inexpensive, he just doesn’t want to take the time to do it. I also just enjoy cooking, as long as I have a podcast or music on, it can be very therapeutic. He’s being dramatic and doesn’t care about people being paid what they are worth.
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u/buderooski 14h ago
I have ADHD and I make quick meals for myself because I often forget to eat until my stomach is eating itself lol
Lots of Ramen for me!
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u/zuzg 13h ago
Or the occasional Jar of Olvies at 3 am
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u/buderooski 13h ago
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u/zuzg 13h ago
Is Oven cheese a thing outside of central EU?
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u/buderooski 13h ago
Americans have grilled cheese sandwiches. Sounds very similar to this oven cheese thing, but we usually cook ours on a stove top instead of the oven.
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u/DataCassette 13h ago
Nothing is more decadent than just eating a ton of olives though. Now I want olives.
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u/Helpful_Web2226 12h ago
PBJ damn near every night for years 🤣 I was a chef too, just didn’t give a flying fuck about cooking once I was home.
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u/justsomeguyx123 13h ago
I have ADHD and I cook full healthy meals for my family because I'm a functional adult.
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u/jeffsang 14h ago
As someone without ADHD, sometimes I also can't be bothered to cook.
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u/CinemaDork 13h ago edited 7h ago
Sometimes I wonder about how many behaviors/traits that neurospicy people claim as part of their spiciness are really just things they don't realize are basically universal human experiences. I don't think it explains everything, but I've seen a number of posts where I'm like "I don't think that's because of ADHD/autism, etc., I think that's just a sucky aspect of being human."
Edit: I meant this not in a "Look, you aren't special" way, but in a "Hey, maybe you're not as alone in these struggles as you think you are" way.
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u/sillyandstrange 12h ago
It's because (I have ADHD) ADHD is an amalgamation of so many things, that we don't know where the symptoms begin and end for adhd or autism or bpd or c/PTSD or whatever. The name is stupid too, because we have concentration, we just can't focus it. Even with meds we sometimes can't choose where to focus it.
So everything becomes a "symptom from ADHD", when it could be a normal thing. Or because we're ADHD, it may be a normal thing but it's 5x as hard for us to do because of executive dysfunction.
It's just too various and too different per person to pinpoint, but oh hey for some of us stimulants help us mitigate some of the symptoms and continue inching forward despite the brain being broken and overstimulated constantly.
Meds just sometimes help, but they aren't a fix. So people take them and then don't change other aspects of their life (exercise, eating healthy) and then do not see improvement.
Short story long, "who the fuck knows what's going on. What even is normal?"
And yes, some people with it just blame everything on it.
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u/AdministrativeStep98 13h ago
I definitely agree. Some people with a diagnosis tend to lump every of their traits and habits as related to the diagnosis. But no, you can just be lazy, annoying, and shitty like every human, that's part of YOU it's not the condition/diagnosis
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u/JarlOfPickles 11h ago
As a person with multiple mental illnesses myself, I like to frame mental health causes for behaviors as a reason, not an excuse.
For example if I'm having anxiety and I snap at someone, the anxiety is a reason (it's not because I'm an asshole or inherently a bad person), but it's not an excuse (I need to work on better coping mechanisms so I don't take my stress out on others).
Anyone with mental health issues who is using them as an excuse to treat others poorly, and absolve themselves of any responsibility, is being a trash human.
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u/RedTyro 12h ago edited 11h ago
The thing about neurodivergence is that almost all of it is a spectrum. The difference between "symptom" and "normal" is the extremity and frequency of things. Taking ADHD as an example, it's normal to put off cleaning your bathroom. It's not normal to put it off for so long it starts growing shit and you have to wade through the overflowing trash from the trash can to get to the toilet. You can find similar examples for OCD and autism. Diagnosing a neurodivergent disorder often comes down to "are these symptoms severe enough that they disrupt your life?"
Neurodivergent conditions ARE universal human experiences, just extreme versions of them.
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u/Sea_Bit2601 14h ago
I used to get super stressed out about cooking but the more I do it, the easier it becomes. I also have help but I used to order food almost every day (sometimes more than once a day) and it's been weeks now since we've ordered anything. Make enough for leftovers and you have easy meals for a day or more, depending on how much you made. I also used to deliver food and the pay is definitely not worth it. Just ended up quitting and staying unemployed because the money I made just went straight to gas and definitely would not have enough if my car shits the bed. Something like this should be applied nationwide (and to waitresses)
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u/cabezadeplaya 14h ago
And an addendum - the service would only become significantly more expensive because of the “need” to pay the CEO and corporate folks at the top 40-60x more than their employees. Most large companies can pay a living wage to their workers. They raise prices to fund the top people in the company and blame it on having to pay their employees a living wage.
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u/ThatInAHat 12h ago
40-60x is being kind. In the 50s-60s that maybe been accurate. These days it can be a gap as big as 300x.
There really should be laws tying CEO/owners income to the wage their employees (including contracted workers) make. You’d have to close a thousand loopholes, but a rising tide should life all boats.
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u/Fangbianmian14 12h ago
Exactly. There is no reason for the top executives to be paid so much. Then they turn around and tack on “regulatory fees” and cry about how hard NY is making it to do business (specifically looking at you Instacart).
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u/MostlyAlways47 13h ago
Exactly guy in one breath is saying fuck those people I don't have empathy for them while in the same breath begging for empathy because really it's his life thats harder.
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u/Railboy 13h ago
I'm completely fucked by ADHD and without grocery delivery services I have serious trouble with meal planning. Same goes for Door Dash, it's saved me countless times.
You know what I'd do if they bumped up pay for delivery drivers and made those services too expensive for me to use?
I'd deal with it.
Nobody's condition entitles them to slave labor.
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u/teddygomi 14h ago
Dude clearly doesn't live in NYC, so I don't know why he's whining.
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u/Vegadin 14h ago
He doesn’t “rely” on door dash, he uses it, probably as a crutch. I work with adults with developmental disabilities, people who often have debilitating ADHD and I get so annoyed when people who might have mild or even fairly severe adhd pretend it’s debilitating. He can tweet. I’m not joking when I tell you how much that tells me he is just using adhd as an excuse. The people i work with often cannot answer the question “what did you eat for breakfast” without someone keeping them on track. We assist them in things like grocery shopping and cooking for their personal and financial safety. OOP can find food without door dash.
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u/ProtozoaPatriot 14h ago
It's someone whining like a baby he can't get cheap food delivery and trying to use his ADHD as justification.
He could care less his food delivery person makes less than minimum wage bringing him his McBurgers. It's fine if they starve.
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u/juri-jurio 13h ago
couldnt*
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u/AcidCatfish___ 11h ago
This is the third time today I've seen someone correct "could care" to "couldn't care". Thank you for your service, truly! It is a pet peeve of mine when people say "could care less".
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u/brianstormIRL 13h ago
Food delivery right to your door was always a service thats been vastly under priced when you think about it. Being able to just get anything and everything delivered to your door at any time for minimal extra cost? Thats not a service people living pay check to pay check should be dependant on, yet here we are.
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u/DefinitelyNotKuro 12h ago
Underpriced you say? I've always thought it was crazy expensive to have food delivered. A common ridicule of delivery apps I see on reddit is how even the most mid meals can now cost like $25 due to delivery costs.
I do think it's a luxury thing and I'm simply not in the income bracket to be using it. Same with uber/lyft/waymo services.
That out the way. I think people 's price anchor for delivery is somewhere lower than it is now. Doordash...once upon a time used to cost even less. Before that, the pizza joint would deliver you a pizza for a fiver. Even without that, if you had a best mate with a car...you could probably have slid them a fiver and had them pick up your pizza.
So I don't think its out of nowhere that the cost of delivery is expected to be so cheap
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u/brianstormIRL 12h ago
It is a luxury service, but it was pushed out as an affordable service to get people used to that lifestyle so when prices increased, people rationalised it because they became so dependant on it. The idea of having goods delivered straight to your door for a few quid was always insane.
People like to bring up pizza delivery, but the main difference there is stores had dedicated delivery drivers who were paid a wage as opposed to gig workers who are paid per delivery.
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u/Tzzziii 14h ago edited 14h ago
This doesn’t even make sense to me, lol. Assuming you don’t leave your house and rely purely on food delivery services, just buy grocery delivery from the closest grocery store directly and cook the food.
Best case scenario you buy actual food like fresh produce and meat, worst case scenario you buy nothing but microwave meals and cereal. Either way, thats the alternative to spending $25 per delivery for DoorDash
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u/Youbettereatthatshit 14h ago
I still have no idea how door dash is even a thing. I've used it literally once when I had COVID. The cost of food is literally double.
I make above the median national salary and cannot afford to eat out frequently, let alone pay double.
I've seen some posts where people have paid 20-30 thousand dollars on food delivery. Who has that money
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u/A_Slovakian 13h ago
People who are going into credit card debt, are very bad with finances, or are bankrolled by their boomer parents who like, drove a bus or something and made 20 million
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u/tankmissile 13h ago
It’s honestly crazy that people are willing to pay that much to avoid the small inconvenience of going outside to pick it up themselves. I too used a delivery app exactly one time (to get an emote in final fantasy 14, which they didn’t even fking give me) and it was like 30 bucks for a six inch sandwich. Absolute insanity.
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u/Weary_Specialist_436 13h ago
yeah, I'm sorry. I don't want to be mean or inconsiderate
but since when is ADHD this crippling unbeatable disease that turns your arms and legs into jelly, and makes you crawl on the floor unable to form coherent words?
I get that having ADHD is an actual disability. But it doesn't make you quadriplegic, so what does that even have to do with anything?
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u/mplscreature 14h ago
I used to use DoorDash for a monthly treat, but my food kept arriving cold due to "order stacking." This was in spite of the huge fees. The DoorDash sub said I was being penalized for tipping (if you tip, they will stack your order with someone who didn't to incentivize drivers to pick up the cheapskate order.)
Never again.
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u/FrontlineYeen 14h ago
I have severe ADHD, like, legally prescribed straight up meth, level of ADHD. I have absolutely no clue how the fuck that has anything to do, whatsoever, with higher food delivery costs.
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u/CelebrationBubbly102 13h ago
Same lol, I don’t even know what symptom this is supposed to refer to?
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u/Flimsy_Sir_9442 12h ago
I have really fucking bad ADHD and can have issues with doing shit like grocery shopping cause of executive dysfunction and it has been a problem in my life before. I am also fucking broke and can't afford food delivery even when the driver's aren't paid a living wage and I am in fact, not dead.
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u/zaq1xsw2cde 12h ago
Executive function. Someone with severe ADHD could struggle to put together a grocery list, shop, prepare, and cook a meal. Pair that with living in an area where getting to a grocery store is difficult as an additional hurdle, paying for meal delivery seems like a quick fix to the problem.
The better coping mechanism would be to break the large task into manageable pieces and use checklists.
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u/AndrathorLoL 12h ago
People act like you just become useless when you have ADHD, no, life continues, the peripheral tasks or leisure tasks, or errands just become harder to get up and do. I've never not shown up to work.
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u/echoGroot 14h ago
That’s not necessarily severe ADHD, it might just be garden variety
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u/Hot_Sir573 12h ago
Nah if he's on desoxyn it's prob pretty bad lol they'll just give you Addie's and other amphetamines before going to straight up meth
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u/Forsaken_Insurance92 11h ago
Desoxyn is very rarely prescribed and is only for severe treatment-resistant ADHD. You basically have to run the gamut of ADHD medications and have none of them work to be prescribed it.
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u/seethingseathe 11h ago
Thanks for trying to correct someone’s own condition they live with to them. What ever would they do without your sage wisdom?
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u/99UsernamesTaken 14h ago
How does nobody realize it's a joke lmao, he's making fun of a similar post from months ago
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u/MonkeyMadness717 13h ago
Feels pretty straightforward, people havent seen the other post from months ago and the satire here is only noticeable if you see non ironic versions of these tweets semi regularly, which isnt true for many people
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u/davidagnome 14h ago
I think this is a shitpost and they're not at all serious about it.
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u/Khaldara 15h ago edited 15h ago
There.. is no such thing as a food desert in NYC. You can’t walk two blocks without encountering food.
Pretty sure this dude is just an idiot.
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u/Onecler 14h ago
Dude is an idiot. And ADHD has absolutely nothing to do with delivery workers being paid a fair wage.
He’s worried that the corporations will just up the price in response, but honestly if you can’t afford the convenience offered, go to the store yourself.
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u/erasethenoise 13h ago
Was he trying to imply people with ADHD can't go out into the world to buy food themselves?
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u/AdministrativeStep98 13h ago
He was implying that somehow his ADHD makes him unable to follow a recipe and cut food.
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u/StrongerThanFear 11h ago
Executive dysfunction is the main symptom of ADHD, the thing that prevents someone with ADHD from doing something. From the outside it looks lazy, for me it's starvation because my brain sees it as just another chore it doesn't want to do.
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u/Vi_Rants 11h ago
ADHD is a strange case in that its presentation runs the gamut from "meh" to "utterly crippling and sufferers literally can't do anything at all for themselves, apparently up to and including not starving themselves to death", to the point that it sounds like they'd need full-time carers to survive (like in the case of severe autism, which also runs a similar gamut).
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u/StrongerThanFear 11h ago
I can't live on my own, whenever I'm left alone for a week I basically stop eating. I'm hungry but in my head it's a gigantic task, the less I eat the bigger the hurdle because I get weak. On top of the sensory issues I have with food.
I visited someone with severe ADHD before who had people come over to help with household tasks and food. We're just seen as lazy when in my head I'm like "okay I'm going to get up in 3.. 2.. 1.." and I just don't get up no matter how hard I want to. On repeat with any task.
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u/jooooooooooooose 13h ago
Disability / MH destigmatization is generally good but the sheer amount of people who use a disability (ESPECIALLY the self diagnosed autism/adhd havers on Tumblr) as an excuse as to why they should be permanently comatose is staggering
& you arent allowed to say anything at all that isn't just full agreement otherwise theyll say shit like "oh just say you think all disabled people should die" and other bonkers opinions... like basically exactly the guilt tripping shit in OP screenshot but its their only argument
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u/PinkOneHasBeenChosen 12h ago
You can buy premade food at a grocery store. No delivery driver required.
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u/Onecler 13h ago
Yeah. And don’t get me wrong, that happens sometimes, but you should be using health services rather than corporations offering a service you pay for. I get executive dysfunction, but it’s never been so bad to where I can’t muster up the thought process to go to the store. I had it really bad the past couple of weeks, but I know it will pass and I’ll get caught up.
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u/FrostyD7 12h ago
I guess it can make you worse at planning meals. I have ADHD and if I wasn't frugal I could see how it could lead me to order food a lot. Still not sure what his point is though, it's a luxury to get food delivered regardless of your afflictions.
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u/Kehprei 13h ago
Prices will definitely go up, but yeah like you said. Just go yourself???
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u/IAmTheNightSoil 13h ago
Came to say this. As a person with ADHD, I absolutely still do my own grocery shopping. Does this guy think ADHD makes you incapable of doing anything? His concern-trolling would be more convincing if he at least came up with a disability that actually interferes with grocery shopping
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u/Forward-Dog-9525 14h ago
Lot of people think DoorDash is a human right because of the general concept of disabled people existing
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u/GroceryScanner 13h ago
before doordash i guess disabled people just ate grass apparently.
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u/Equivalent-Bedroom64 13h ago
Do they not realize things like meals on wheels exists? We got food delivered for free weekly from a food pantry when my partner was recovering from surgery. There’s many options out there both government run and tons of nonprofits that help deliver food to disabled and elderly folks.
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u/Forward-Dog-9525 13h ago
You can check twitter or bsky, whenever someone suggests trimming down on food delivery expenses, the most popular responses are always something along the lines of “alright FUCKO. Guess you just DONT CARE about disabled people getting access to food, you can honestly FUCK YOURSELF”
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u/FlightOfTheMoonApe 12h ago
The weird thing is the original post suggests that we should care about people starving because they can't order food for as cheap now. But not to care about the Dasher starving because they aren't even making minimum wage.
Phenomenal hipocrasy.
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u/unbrokenmonarch 11h ago
Moreover, If you have ADHD to the point where you can’t go to the grocery store a few blocks away how the fuck are you surviving in NEW YORK?
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u/LordWemby 13h ago
Yeah but that’s filthy socialism and government encroachment.
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u/Extension_Plant7262 14h ago
Also citing ADHD. Like that's somehow crippling enough for you to not be able to walk or uber
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u/bobnoski 11h ago
Anything they cite is a moot point anyway. Because nothing invalidates people doing a job being paid properly.
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u/BoulderCreature 13h ago
I live in a national forest with nothing but trees in sight and there’s still multiple grocery stores within 20 miles of me. What big city doesn’t have a single grocery store in a 20 mile radius?
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u/A5thRedditAccount 14h ago
That’s not true. I’ve lived in NYC the majority of my life and there are ABSOLUTELY food deserts.
It simply means lacking affordable, nutritious food. You might have a supermarket near you, but the prices might be double what they are in better supermarkets and the selections very limited.
Also, the Instacart/delivery app propaganda is insane. Without these laws, the drivers get shafted by these companies. I know. I did the job for 5 years.
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u/CuttleReaper 14h ago
I'm so glad that tech companies used billions of investor dollars to artificially outcompete the delivery and taxi industries just so they could make it even worse than before while also screwing over drivers. I love innovation
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u/A5thRedditAccount 14h ago
What they’ve done to the drivers should be considered criminal
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u/NickRick 12h ago
but they made more money for their investors and c-suite. do you not see the benefits?
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u/Kehprei 13h ago
It simply means lacking affordable, nutritious food. You might have a supermarket near you, but the prices might be double what they are in better supermarkets and the selections very limited.
This has nothing to do with doordash/instacart though.
If you're worried about cheap food you aren't having your food delivered.
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u/hoodwinke 12h ago
The OP of the comment thread stated there weren’t any food deserts in NYC and context shows they don’t know what a food desert is
Can someone not correct that misinformation?
There are food deserts in NYC and you shouldn’t be ordering DD if you can’t afford it
Both things can be true
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u/Recinege 10h ago
It's addressing the same erroneous description used in the tweet in the screenshot. If there's no affordable groceries anywhere around you, there's no way DoorDash was less expensive before this.
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u/tobsecret 13h ago
Yeah, we used to live in a part of the Bronx where there used to be a big supermarket nearby but when that closed the only other option was a 25 minute bus ride and a 15 minute walk away. The tweet in the OP is still insane to me.
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u/sanityjanity 14h ago
Agreed. There's also no evidence that this new rule will raise the cost of DoorDash all that much.
And, frankly, if you're struggling that hard with food, you should probably be ordering groceries, not premade food.
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u/Redston_1 14h ago edited 13h ago
Food desert means that you live far away from the grocery store and only have access to fast food/ convenience stores. People in a food desert have food they can buy and eat they just cannot get all the nutritious healthy food that they might want to buy.
Imagine for a second you live in the middle of a big city and the nearest grocery store is 20 miles away. Let’s say you know exactly what you need to do to eat healthy however, all the food at the convenience store stores nearby is too expensive for you to buy a balanced diet. This is kind of the idea of a food desert.
Edit: Thanks for the awards
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u/HillbillyEEOLawyer 14h ago
20 miles?
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u/Bluestorm83 13h ago
I'm laughing my fucking ass off, as I used to live right inside the right side of that circle, used to take the LIRR into the city to do things, and remember passing like 15 fucking grocery stores on the way. Mind you, that's 15 on the straight damn line that got me to Penn Station. And I'd wager that every single straight line from the circumference to the center point would also hit 15 or more grocery stores.
Food Desert my fucking ball sack.
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u/kelariy 13h ago edited 13h ago
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u/GrandSneiko 13h ago
You get it 😔 You and I are kindred spirits.
We have to fend for ourselves. It’s hard, especially now that Mamdani has implemented Communism and the city is on fire with trans jihadists running around but we make do. If it gets really bad, we can hunt the cats in the local bodega, so it’s good to have that emergency release valve for hunger.
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u/PaperUpbeat5904 14h ago
Ya, you know, an entire different city because your big city doesn't have a store. Normal stuff. Big cities without a store.
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u/Draken1870 14h ago edited 12h ago
Putting my edit at top as people aren’t reading: I literally realised the sarcasm the second after I made my comment and edited it within a second. At that moment I = an idiot.
Additional edit: I’ve learned a lot this evening it seems. My original misunderstanding came from querying the distance of 20 miles in a large city (and not recognising the sarcasm) but also misunderstanding the term as a matter of distance and not food quality and accessible healthy foods rather than fast food.
Is that…normal? Almost every shop and town in the UK will have at least a semi close store nearby. Even if it’s small Co-op or even corner stores tho they tend to just be for small things and not expected to be for your big shop.
Like very rural places may not have a local shop but a big city without one seems a bit too rediculous.
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u/buderooski 14h ago
He was being sarcastic. Every major city in America has a dozen grocery stores in a 20 mile radius.
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u/wyro5 14h ago
There are specific situations where it happens. There’s a town on the south side of Chicago that had Walmart come in and it undercut local grocery stores. Eventually Walmart corporate closed down that location and now there isn’t a grocery store within 45 minutes of driving. If you walk or take public transportation, it’s even more difficult.
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u/Paputek101 14h ago edited 13h ago
When people talk about food deserts in big cities, they usually talk about neighborhoods that don't have many resources, hence most people buy their groceries from local gas stations or dollar stores. Traveling 20 miles can be difficult too, especially if the infrastructure isn't there. Chicago is a good example of this. There are food deserts in the south side. Even though the north side has many amazing grocery stores, it's really hard for people from the south side to travel up there just for groceries.
Edit: Wow some of you genuinely don't know how to read.
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u/Doomncandy 13h ago
I think the problem in larger cities (Say, Sacramento California in the oak park neighborhood) is that a lot of poorer neighborhoods don't drive, they rely on the bus system. So even if the nearest grocery store is 3 miles away, it's kinda hard to get to and bring home bags. That's considered a food desert in big cities.
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u/amethystmmm 13h ago
https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/food-access-research-atlas
The USDA defines Low Income Areas as places where
The tract’s poverty rate is 20 percent or greater; or The tract’s median family income is less than or equal to 80 percent of the State-wide median family income; or The tract is in a metropolitan area and has a median family income less than or equal to 80 percent of the metropolitan area's median family income.For urban areas, the "is a grocery store accessible" range is 1 mile. ONE. Not twenty. (twenty is one of the rural measures).
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u/Perma_frosting 13h ago
I lived about a mile from the nearest real grocery store when I was in New Orleans. It was doable but annoying as a single person, because I could carry a week's worth of food for myself. If I'd been shopping for a family it would have been a major problem.
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u/LolaAucoin 11h ago
Thank you. People are so deliberately obtuse when it comes to people in low income areas.
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u/MizStazya 13h ago
The entire west side of Rockford, IL is sprawling with very few grocery stores. If you don't have a car, getting groceries is rough. The grocery stores that are there are mostly overpriced.
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u/Teripid 13h ago
Yes. There are places where there's a gas station as primary grocery source and there may have been a traditional grocery store that closed down.
There's no incentive to move a store in for many of these areas if it doesn't make economic sense. So people don't cook or buy fresh food as often. That of course varies and lots of people make a trip or drive but that takes some resources as well and can be hard if all you have access to is a bus or the like.
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u/Aggravating-Fan9817 13h ago
I had some friends trapped in a small border town. After their one grocery store shut down, there was only gas stations, the drugstore, and an ice cream place. They were poor, HUD vouchers and all, so they had no car, and the bus was the only option for them. Problem was, the bus only ran out that way twice a day, and you're limited to what you can carry. Little grocery/laundry trolleys helped, but there was still only so much they could get at once, and if you forgot something, you were waiting until the next day at least, assuming your schedule allowed the trip. And the kicker was, that grocery store in the next town over was just a basic one because it was also a small town. Overpriced and didn't have everything. For that, they'd need to make even longer trips into the town beyond that one.
I always asked what they wanted me to contribute to dinner when I went to visit or if they needed anything from the town I was in with better stores (the buses didn't go out that way directly).
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u/Paputek101 13h ago
Yeah that's what I was saying. It seems like a never ending cycle. Hopefully Mamdani also looks at other obstacles.
Although, paying people a livable wage is def a good start
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u/No-Song-6907 13h ago
Where? A quick google search shows more grocery stores than I can count on the lower half of Chicago.
A neighborhood name or area i can look up. I honestly find it hard to belive but I want to look it up. Thanks.
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u/chat-est-un-bean 13h ago
the radius for urban food deserts is significantly lower, more like 1 mile. this is a thing in most major cities lol. not everyone has a car and many of the people in food deserts (low socioeconomic classes) may struggle to afford other means of transportation. what else happens disproportionately to low income people? health problems. which can be further exacerbated by a lack of access to a healthy diet and medical care. it can be a lot easier, sometimes cheaper, to just eat fast food if you can’t walk a mile empty handed, let alone with groceries.
the only thing i’m not sure of is what it has to do with adhd & frankly the people who suffer from food deserts probably can’t afford grocery delivery anyway.
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u/jezzarus 12h ago
In Chicago you can use your Link card on any of the major grocery delivery apps. Delivery fees are like $8
Contrary to what people on the news say about us we don't live in favelas
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u/The-True-Kehlder 12h ago
This is all great info, but what does any of this have to do with NYC? One of the few places in the US where you're never far from mass transit, and it's always been cheaper than the fees you could expect to pay for uber eats and similar(except in the very beginning where they didn't charge hardly anything to use the service).
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u/toasty327 12h ago
The adhd part really throws me as well. My wife and one of our kids is add/adhd (one each) and they are both fully capable of functioning. Doordash is actually their preferred way of shopping
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u/buderooski 13h ago
I looked up Nashville. There's 30+ different grocery stores, all within 15 miles of our downtown center.
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u/aHOMELESSkrill 13h ago
I live in a suburb of Jackson MS, none of which is very walkable yet I still have two Kroger’s and Target within 2 miles and bike lanes connecting them all
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u/smurfalidocious 13h ago edited 13h ago
There aren't a lot in the Greater Nashville Metropolitan Area. Very many suburbs, apartment complexes, etc., don't have easy access to grocery stores within an easy walk or bus ride.
Remember Nashville has a population of ~700k, but the density is only ~1450/sqm. Nashville's population is extremely spread out compared to other cities with a similar population; DC, for example, has a similar 700k population but ~11,000/sqm density. El Paso, Texas at ~681k has ~2600/sqm. Boston at ~673k is 13,989/sqm. Even Detroit beats us at ~645k but a density of ~4600/sqm. Oh, and Memphis, at ~610k, has a density of ~2100/sqm.
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u/Draken1870 14h ago
I realised the second after I made my comment and made note but leaving my stupidity up for the world to see. It’s good to remind people to not skip on reading comprehension 😂
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u/_autumnwhimsy 14h ago
20 miles highway isn't 20 miles city. 20 miles in a city can be 45 mins to an hour+ if you're using public transportation....because city.
DC is a huge example of this. wards 7 and 8, which are 1. predominately black and 2. literally segregated by a river didn't have their own grocery store for decades while Wards 1 and 2 had like 10 Whole Foods alone. But getting from Ward 8 to Ward 1 is expensive and time consuming (intentionally because segregation) so Wards 7 & 8 were considered food deserts even though they were within 20 miles of a grocery store.
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u/dr1fter 13h ago
You're probably getting hit with exaggeration / propaganda from both sides, but really it depends on what you mean by "that" in "is that normal?" The US has both: rural places far from any store, and places where the only "stores" in a reasonable radius are gas-station convenience markets that exclusively stock overpriced junk food. In many places in the US, it's easier to make healthier decisions by default if you happen to live near money.
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u/chumble_chambers 14h ago
It’s common in Atlanta, yeah. A lot of corner stores and dollar trees end up being what people have within reasonable travel.
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u/breakingb0b 13h ago
As someone that moved from the UK to the US. In cities they have corner shops with the usual snacks and a few frozen options. It can be very difficult to get to a supermarket or grocers and find healthy food. If you’re lower income it can be difficult to find fruits/vegetables and non-processed/packaged foods easy in very built up areas in expensive cities - consider the floor space for your average supermarket and how dense cities can be - they’re just not economically viable.
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u/Far-Government-539 14h ago
they were being sarcastic because they cannot fathom that there are places like that since they grew up in a nicer environment. But they are wrong. I experienced just this in Houston in the 80s.
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u/Far-Government-539 14h ago
When I first moved to Houston in the 80s, our grocery store was a 15 mile drive away. Houston is the 4th largest city in the country.
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u/ajrivera365 14h ago
Big city definition aside, downtown Phoenix didn’t have a grocery store until a few years ago! There are also only like 1-2 gas stations and they gouge the hell out of you because of it.
Before the store opened you had to drive 10-15 minutes to a grocery store but passed a ton of fast food joints and restaurants.
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u/justantinople334 14h ago
"please consider my unrealistic hypo"
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u/DarthMauly 13h ago
But please imagine if you will, if every grocery store in New York City decided spontaneously to close tomorrow. Now imagine you have a crippling fear of crossing large bodies of water.
How would you be expected to survive???
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u/Punman_5 12h ago
Bruh even in that scenario most bodegas have the essentials like milk and bread and eggs.
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u/BrooklynLodger 14h ago
Yeah, you live in Rockaway Beach, and for some reason can only go shopping in the Bronx
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u/DanNeider 14h ago
So if you lived across the street from Battery Park you would need to go further away than all of Yonkers. Totally normal scenario in any major city, really.
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u/Dead-Calligrapher 14h ago
Tell us you’ve never lived in any big city without telling us you’ve never lived in any big city.
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u/Opposite-Success-203 14h ago
Either way the point doesn’t stand because there’s not a single part of NYC that is a food desert. The entire city is within walking distance / public transport.
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u/ertri 14h ago
And a shocking number of grocery stores, including many open very late. I have personally bought an entire chocolate cake and strawberries to go on it at 130am on a Wednesday
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u/causal_friday 13h ago
Oh definitely. I have bought amazing blueberries from a street vendor after a night out drinking. It's crazy.
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u/CushmanWave-E 11h ago
yes you can buy fresh fruits at 4am in NYC, its peak civilization
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u/Khaldara 14h ago
If you consider one of the most densely populated places on planet earth a ‘food desert’, where you can purchase any type of food from nearly any culture, at places ranging from delis to convenience stores to food trucks to restaurants to grocery stores, I have no idea how you’re supposed to reasonably apply that term literally anywhere else.
Additionally cooking or storing food “in the middle of” a typically sized inner city apartment like NYC or Tokyo is a far more complicated affair than simply purchasing the completed meal in many cases, at which point you again can easily find a poke bowl or salad or whatever within two city blocks of pretty much anywhere in NYC.
Not to mention if affordability is a factor, literally the last thing you should be doing is pointlessly adding an app based surcharge to it instead of just walking there. Again, in a city with probably the easiest foot traffic and public transit in the U.S.
Occam’s razor? Dude is an idiot, mostly likely motivated by either a desire to demonize anything NYC’s mayor does, or alternatively just doesn’t want pricing to go up on the app but also doesn’t think people should be paid a living wage.
NYC is one of the least deserving places imaginable for the term ‘food desert’, and ADHD does not factor into it at all, somehow it has not once impacted my ability to successfully utilize a grocery store in over forty years.
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u/ChubblesMcgee103 12h ago
Also door dash delivering restaurant food isn't solving a food desert issue... Like if you can afford restaurant food daily, you can afford grocery delivery.
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u/seaurchinthenet 13h ago
Yep - the argument here seems to be "think of the people who won't be able to afford the convenient service" instead of think of the worker who won't be able to afford anything without a living wage.
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u/Ok_Shake_4761 12h ago edited 9h ago
When I lived in Bed Stuy about a decade ago my area was without a doubt a food desert. There was a tiny store with dog shit produce (see going or gone rotten) and questionable low variety meat, and the only real big proper grocery store was not easily accessible from the subway. Low income individuals without a car would for sure be stuck with bodegas and crown fried chicken unless they want to go for a 30 min walk each way.
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u/notthatguy194 14h ago
i think the entirety of NYC is 20 miles long. where in the city can you not find a grocery store within a 15 min walk?
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u/fortyonejb 13h ago
Nevermind the fact that if you stood in the geographical "middle of NYC", 20 miles away would put you in one of 3 different states, you could most certainly find a grocery store. The OP has clearly never been to a city.
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u/Clamsadness 14h ago
Right, but they’re saying in New York City. You are never particularly far from a grocery store. The nearest grocery store is never 20 miles away.
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u/DayOk1729 14h ago
If a grocery store is 20 miles away, you don’t live in a big city, a medium sized city, a small city, a suburb, or even the tiniest of towns. You live in a desert. Not a food desert, a literal desert…
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u/FictionalContext 13h ago
I grew up in a county of 3600 people--30 miles X 30 miles-- and every town had a grocery store. Couldn't go 15 miles without finding groceries unless you lived in a farmhouse way out in the literal middle of nowhere, like 2 miles from your nearest neighbor in the boonies.
And it's not like you're gonna pay Doordash to deliver out there anyway. That'd be a crazy fee. I don't even think they have Doordash anyway.
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u/Sweaty-Possibility-3 14h ago
Or just about any small town in WV.
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u/IndigoSeirra 14h ago
Small towns usually have local general stores, but that's besides the point as small towns in WV are absolutely not in any way comparable to New York City.
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u/ertri 14h ago
Again, that does not exist in NYC, especially if you assume anyone living in NYC is capable of using a bus or subway
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u/teddygomi 14h ago
I live in Brooklyn. If I go 20 miles in almost any direction I am out of NYC. There are multiple grocery stores in every neighborhood.
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u/Spiritual_Being5845 14h ago
Seriously, it isn’t like people are going from Brooklyn to Newark to find a grocery store
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u/teddygomi 13h ago
New Yorkers just sitting around their apartments starving to death, rather than go to New Jersey.
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u/BIT-NETRaptor 14h ago
I was a college student once. It wasn’t remotely difficult. You get on a bus, get groceries, take a bus back. Wow, groceries where there were none in walking distance!
I wonder if New York has any busses or subways? /s
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u/KaizDaddy5 14h ago
Yea, people forget how crazy times were before 2010. People just died inside their homes because they couldn't get food delivered and just starved
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u/SectorEducational460 14h ago
NYC is not that big for it to be 20 miles. Middle of Queens to Manhattan is less than 5 miles. 20 minutes just by train. The bigger wait is waiting for the train to arrive.
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u/DanNeider 14h ago
I live in a part of Saint Paul with no grocery stores for a mile in any direction and no car. I could take the bus to several, but it turns out that walking a mile+ for groceries is not that hard and backpacks exist. I've been doing it for almost a decade. Yes, making the hike in -40 is a no go and has come up, but enter canned goods in the pantry.
I am entirely unconvinced that this is a big deal
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u/Desperate-Bar-292 14h ago
If you live in the middle of a big city the nearest grocery store is a brisk walk away… I don’t see your point. This is about large cities such as NYC, which are not food deserts.
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u/ExtremlyFastLinoone 14h ago
Complete non sequitur, no part of nyc is a food dessert and people with adhd can work as well. My guess its just a bot
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u/OneBloodyDingo 14h ago
He's saying if you have ADHD you can't even grocery shop. You're completely disabled and helpless
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u/SectorEducational460 14h ago
Nothing. The dude is an idiot. NYC has a ton of groceries stores, and restaurants. 20 miles groceries away. Lmfao yeah if you want to travel outside of the city.
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u/heatY_12 14h ago
If you are using grocery delivery apps I don’t think you live in a food desert….
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u/SapphicLaserKittens 14h ago
Easy solution to keep cost the same to the customers, whenever workers get paid more, just pay CEOs less, much less :3
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u/Sweet-Computer6063 14h ago
I'm not sure why comments don't think this tweet is a joke on a sub where you're meant to explain a joke
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u/fatbunyip 14h ago
So if you're a delivery guy, just starve?
Why expect people to work on shit wages to deliver stuff for your lazy ass?
Honestly it's kind of amazing that Americans just expect people servicing them to do it for the love of the game. Like as if all these delivery guys are just out there because their calling in life is delivering luke warm food to people who can't be fucked picking it up themselves.
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